Author Topic: Goncalo Amaral.  (Read 35802 times)

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Online Davel

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2475 on: August 02, 2020, 11:46:41 AM »
What amazes me is the fact that the news media are all promoting Christian Brueckner as if he is guilty of abducting Madeleine McCann when there isn't a shred of evidence to support it. Crazy or what?

The guy is to be pitied if anything, He had a rotten start in life and was undoubtedly abused in one way or another as an orphan. By the time he was adopted the damage was done imo. I'm not surprised in the least that he boasted of his exploits in the Algarve to an associate, that is what these people do constantly.

What an odd post. We don't know  what evidence the police have but what we know makes him a suspect  and hes  a suspect mainly due to his own actions. I don't feel a shred of sympathy for him.

What about the accusations against the MCCanns...Amarals book...no synpathy from the sceptics there...a very very odd post
« Last Edit: August 02, 2020, 11:50:00 AM by Davel »
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Offline The General

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2476 on: August 02, 2020, 11:47:17 AM »
I'm not suggesting that the PJ were looking for a fall guy.

But they were responsible for tracking down the person or persons involved in MM's disappearance and failed from the outset to investigate. Brueckener as well as other pedophiles and prolific criminals were operational in the area long before M went missing and Amaral was content to bark only up one tree.
I'm sure Robert Murat would disagree with you there, Holmes.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2477 on: August 02, 2020, 12:23:28 PM »
What amazes me is the fact that the news media are all promoting Christian Brueckner as if he is guilty of abducting Madeleine McCann when there isn't a shred of evidence to support it. Crazy or what?

The guy is to be pitied if anything, He had a rotten start in life and was undoubtedly abused in one way or another as an orphan. By the time he was adopted the damage was done imo. I'm not surprised in the least that he boasted of his exploits in the Algarve to an associate, that is what these people do constantly.

He was then rejected by his adoptive parents due to getting into trouble and ended up in the care of the state, I believe. While none of it justifies breaking the law, it may explain it.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Online Davel

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2478 on: August 02, 2020, 01:02:00 PM »
He was then rejected by his adoptive parents due to getting into trouble and ended up in the care of the state, I believe. While none of it justifies breaking the law, it may explain it.

I think you and John are making pathetic excuses for  a thoroughly nasty person. No excuses made for the mccann supporter convicted for downloading porn.
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Offline Carana

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2479 on: August 02, 2020, 01:10:48 PM »
More filibustering from Amaral. If Brueckener is the 'perfect suspect' he should have been investigated at the time.

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Something isn't making sense to me.

Way before the 2006 diesel theft, when he'd admitted a previous conviction for sexual offenses during a court hearing, he'd apparently already been extradited from Portugal to Germany in 1999 for child sex offenses committed in 1994, but convicted in 1995... and somehow seemingly disappeared off the radar before serving his sentence.

www.telegraph.co.uk › news › 2020/06/10 › new-germ...
Jun 10, 2020 - He had planned to start his own business but in 1999 the authorities caught up with him again. Brückner was arrested and extradited to ...

Brueckner (left and right in the 1999 mugshots), then 22, was being extradited back to Germany to be sent to jail for sexually assaulting a six-year-old girl in a playground in 1994.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html

Aside from what appears to read as PJ Faro, I can't work out the other detalls on the board.

Edit: A different source is Sky.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-portugal-reopen-rape-investigation-after-claim-against-madeleine-mccann-suspect-12033629

The mugshots appear to have been taken on 13/7/2009 at the Directoria do Sul, i.e., presumably Faro.
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Online Sherlock Holmes

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2480 on: August 02, 2020, 01:19:10 PM »
I'm sure Robert Murat would disagree with you there, Holmes.

Well that's a case in point come to think of it, General.

Murat and the McCanns have zero history of infractions yet both were made arguidos, while CB and other career criminals barely merited a look-in.

Offline The General

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2481 on: August 02, 2020, 01:35:29 PM »
Well that's a case in point come to think of it, General.

Murat and the McCanns have zero history of infractions yet both were made arguidos, while CB and other career criminals barely merited a look-in.
I'd ask for a cite for that claim, but CBA, it's Sunday.
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Online Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2482 on: August 02, 2020, 01:53:17 PM »
I'd ask for a cite for that claim, but CBA, it's Sunday.
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Online Sherlock Holmes

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2483 on: August 02, 2020, 02:10:36 PM »
Welcome back, Sherlock! :)

Something isn't making sense to me.

Way before the 2006 diesel theft, when he'd admitted a previous conviction for sexual offenses during a court hearing, he'd apparently already been extradited from Portugal to Germany in 1999 for child sex offenses committed in 1994, but convicted in 1995... and somehow seemingly disappeared off the radar before serving his sentence.

www.telegraph.co.uk › news › 2020/06/10 › new-germ...
Jun 10, 2020 - He had planned to start his own business but in 1999 the authorities caught up with him again. Brückner was arrested and extradited to ...

Brueckner (left and right in the 1999 mugshots), then 22, was being extradited back to Germany to be sent to jail for sexually assaulting a six-year-old girl in a playground in 1994.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8538057/Portuguese-police-mugshots-Christian-Brueckner-1999-reveal-officers-knew-sordid-past.html

Aside from what appears to read as PJ Faro, I can't work out the other detalls on the board.

Edit: A different source is Sky.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-in-portugal-reopen-rape-investigation-after-claim-against-madeleine-mccann-suspect-12033629

The mugshots appear to have been taken on 13/7/2009 at the Directoria do Sul, i.e., presumably Faro.

Thanks for the welcome, Carana. It's good to be back and to see you on the board.

This all goes to show that Brueckener - whether innocent or guilty re MM as remains to be proven - should have been a suspect, if not the main one, from the early days of the investigation.

Online Sherlock Holmes

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2484 on: August 02, 2020, 02:14:49 PM »
I'd ask for a cite for that claim, but CBA, it's Sunday.
How's The Case of the Four Gabled Dancing Hound Stones coming along?

My casework has been slow since London was in lockdown. Meanwhile, I'm biding my time with the punctillious Germans.

Online Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2485 on: August 02, 2020, 02:22:48 PM »

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2486 on: August 02, 2020, 04:01:25 PM »
He was then rejected by his adoptive parents due to getting into trouble and ended up in the care of the state, I believe. While none of it justifies breaking the law, it may explain it.
Could you explain that one to us please.  Being rejected by his adoptive parents and being taken into care explains why he tortured and raped an old woman and abused young children.  I look forward to your explanation.
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Online Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2487 on: August 02, 2020, 04:03:52 PM »
Could you explain that one to us please.  Being rejected by his adoptive parents and being taken into care explains why he tortured and raped an old woman and abused young children.  I look forward to your explanation.

I might be interested in that.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2488 on: August 02, 2020, 05:36:53 PM »
I might be interested in that.
I thought we might have had the explanation by now.
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Offline Carana

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #2489 on: August 02, 2020, 06:47:29 PM »
3 June, 2020
The first vehicle is a distinctive VW T3 Westfalia campervan. It is an early 1980s model, with two tone markings, a white upper body and a yellow skirting. It had a Portuguese registration plate.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826

Amaral's graffiti-van also appears to have PT plates and appears to have been registered in July 82, so it may or may not be the same vehicle.
https://tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/maddie/goncalo-amaral-revela-fotos-que-diz-serem-da-van-do-suspeito-nas-quais-o-veiculo-esta-diferente/

However, Amaral said that the photo was taken last year.
Numa entrevista ao "Jornal das 8" da TVI, domingo à noite, Amaral mostrou uma fotografia do veículo personalizado com bonecos desenhados a preto e que não corresponde às imagens que foram divulgadas pela polícia alemã.

O antigo coordenador assegurou ter a certeza de que o veículo "é o mesmo" e que a fotografia "foi tirada no ano passado", no Algarve, sem dizer concretamente onde, antes de ter sido levado para a Alemanha onde foi alvo de peritagens. "É a viatura que o suspeito, dizem, tinha na altura, e que é totalmente diferente daquilo que nos têm mostrado", acusou.

Google translation:
In an interview with TVI's "Jornal das 8", Sunday night, Amaral showed a photograph of the vehicle personalized with dolls drawn in black and that does not correspond to the images that were released by the German police.

The former coordinator assured that he is sure that the vehicle "is the same" and that the photograph "was taken last year" in the Algarve, without specifically saying where, before he [it?]  was taken to Germany where he [it?] was the target of surveys. "It is the vehicle that the suspect, they say, had at the time, and that is totally different from what they have shown us," he accused.

https://www.jn.pt/justica/ex-inspetor-diz-que-imagem-da-carrinha-de-suspeito-de-raptar-maddie-tera-sido-alterada-12337119.html

Assuming for a moment that Amaral is correct that it is indeed the same van, and that the graffiti-van photos were indeed taken last year (although how he got hold of them remains a mystery) why does he think the Met / BKA would release photos of what it looks like now, as opposed to how it looked back in 2007?

From the English pdf on the BKA site. https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt.html

At the time in question, the suspect used a dark coloured Jaguar XJR 6. We do not hold any infor-mation on the specific registration of the vehicle before the offence was committed. The last known registration after the day of the offence was a city of Augsburg registration. He also used a white and yellow VW T3 Westfalia with a Portuguese registration. There is information suggesting that he may have used one of these vehicles to commit the offence.


(...)

Vehicle 2 VW T3 Westfalia
Colour: White / yellow
Registration number: In May 2007, the vehicle carried Portuguese number plates
Whereabouts: The whereabouts of the vehicle are known
Please note: The suspect was not the vehicle keeper. The vehicle keeper can be ruled out as a suspect.


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From the Met site: http://news.met.police.uk/news/operation-grange-update-and-appeal-403826
The Operation Grange team is revealing details of two vehicles which the suspect is known to have had access to and used around the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.

The first vehicle is a distinctive VW T3 Westfalia campervan. It is an early 1980s model, with two tone markings, a white upper body and a yellow skirting. It had a Portuguese registration plate.

The suspect had access to this van from at least April 2007 until sometime after May 2007. It was used in and around the area of Praia da Luz.

We believe he was living in this van for days, possibly weeks, and may have been using it on 3 May 2007.