How Did JB Commit The Killings

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It makes no difference whether there is a witness or not because not all witness testimony is reliable unlike the physical evidence.

So why do police appeal for witnesses?

[Myster]

Before I worked out the shooting reconstruction I wasn't entirely convinced but now I'm sure of his innocence.

It will prove nothing of the sort. Casings on the landing or just inside the doorway could equally have come from the final shots to June.  An absolute waste of time and anyone's money if they're foolish enough to back such a pie in the sky project.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The main purpose of a shooting reconstruction is to determine perp/victim location. 

In this case the prosecution alleged at trial that JB entered his parents bedroom under stealth and opened fire on NB and June in bed. The defence offered no alternative scenario.

The pathological evidence and casings show NB sustained 4 gsw's upstairs 2 of which were fired within inches of his face rendering him incapable of purposeful speech thereafter.  In which case how could he have made the call to JB?  And given NB's injuries to his face caused heavy loss of blood externally and internally why wasn't the handset/mouthpiece bloodstained?

What a reconstruction will do, based on all the physical evidence: blood stains to the floor and lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks, is show where in the farmhouse NB was positioned when he sustained the facial wounds and where the perp was positioned when he/she inflicted them.

To date there's no expert evidence available in this regard just the prosecution alleging what I've stated above.

I believe, based on the physical evidence, a professional reconstruction will show that when NB sustained the facial wounds he wasn't lying in bed but standing on the landing stairs which immediately precede the entrance to the bedroom.  And the perp was standing just inside the bedroom firing out onto the landing.  If I'm proved right then this puts a complete different complexion on this aspect of the case as it lends support to JB's claim of a tel call from NB in that it could be argued if NB was on the landing he had come up the main staircase from the kitchen having just called JB.

They established all this 35 years ago, Holly!

Nevill wasn’t shot in the bedroom (none of his bloodstains were there) — he was shot on the landing. Surely you know that? Surely you know police & forensics PROVED that by the casings and Nevill’s blood on the landing?

It’s blatantly obvious that the perp, Jeremy Bamber, quietly crept into the bedroom whilst June & Nevill were sleeping, and the bullets hit June first. Simple as that. Nevill obviously jumped up out of bed, struggled with Jeremy by the bedroom door and onto the landing — that’s where June comes in again — she raced to the door to try and help Nevill, hence her bloodstains on the carpet, Jeremy punched her in the face blackening her eye, she ran back a bit in all the panic and mayhem, then Jeremy shot her between her eyes. DEAD.

Nevill was then shot with the last of the bullets Jeremy had loaded in the rifle; Nevill would’ve known the rifle was now empty & raced downstairs to raise the alarm by calling 999 & possibly arming himself. You know the rest...Jeremy finished Nevill off in the kitchen.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The main purpose of a shooting reconstruction is to determine perp/victim location. 

In this case the prosecution alleged at trial that JB entered his parents bedroom under stealth and opened fire on NB and June in bed. The defence offered no alternative scenario.

The pathological evidence and casings show NB sustained 4 gsw's upstairs 2 of which were fired within inches of his face rendering him incapable of purposeful speech thereafter.  In which case how could he have made the call to JB?  And given NB's injuries to his face caused heavy loss of blood externally and internally why wasn't the handset/mouthpiece bloodstained?

What a reconstruction will do, based on all the physical evidence: blood stains to the floor and lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks, is show where in the farmhouse NB was positioned when he sustained the facial wounds and where the perp was positioned when he/she inflicted them.

To date there's no expert evidence available in this regard just the prosecution alleging what I've stated above.

I believe, based on the physical evidence, a professional reconstruction will show that when NB sustained the facial wounds he wasn't lying in bed but standing on the landing stairs which immediately precede the entrance to the bedroom.  And the perp was standing just inside the bedroom firing out onto the landing.  If I'm proved right then this puts a complete different complexion on this aspect of the case as it lends support to JB's claim of a tel call from NB in that it could be argued if NB was on the landing he had come up the main staircase from the kitchen having just called JB.

So what are you going to do, actually fire bullets into someone’s face to prove a point?  They didn’t need to recreate the shooting of JFK to prove definitively that that killing bullet that took the top off the president’s head came from the Book Depository building.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Before I worked out the shooting reconstruction I wasn't entirely convinced but now I'm sure of his innocence.

Please explain why it is simply impossible for Jeremy to have shot NB upstairs?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do you think someone who is planning to murder his family goes around making such comments?   

It wouldn’t be the first time.  How did the Bamber’s pub acquaintance  come up with such a similar account as JM’s when called in for questioning?  Was he in on the conspiracy to get JB?

[APRIL]

Surely that’s even worse??!  To expend so much time and energy on trying to get a man released from prison whose innocence you’re not entirely convinced by, a man who murdered 5 people including 2 six year old children??

Certainly, I find such an exercise distasteful in the extreme. However, in Holly's defence, it's what barristers do on a daily basis. As Alex McBride says in "Defending The Guilty", they're not interested in innocence or guilt -in fact, they'd prefer not to know- it's about being able to present a jury with a story they'll buy.

[Myster]

Certainly, I find such an exercise distasteful in the extreme. However, in Holly's defence, it's what barristers do on a daily basis. As Alex McBride says in "Defending The Guilty", they're not interested in innocence or guilt -in fact, they'd prefer not to know- it's about being able to present a jury with a story they'll buy.

You'll need to bump up the volume to max... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFt_U4mcu4

[barrier]

Before I worked out the shooting reconstruction I wasn't entirely convinced but now I'm sure of his innocence.

Thank you for the clarity,but how can that prove it was not J Bamber.

[Holly Goodhead]

So why do police appeal for witnesses?

I'm talking about a shooting reconstruction.

[Holly Goodhead]

It will prove nothing of the sort. Casings on the landing or just inside the doorway could equally have come from the final shots to June.  An absolute waste of time and anyone's money if they're foolish enough to back such a pie in the sky project.

Of course the casings alone do not support anything either way but the totality of the physical evidence does.

[barrier]

I'm talking about a shooting reconstruction.

Are you talking of a crime scene reconstruction or a shooting construction,I asked before you don't know the mindset of the protagonist at the time so how would you have the shooting or virtual shooting played out?

[Holly Goodhead]

They established all this 35 years ago, Holly!

Nevill wasn’t shot in the bedroom (none of his bloodstains were there) — he was shot on the landing. Surely you know that? Surely you know police & forensics PROVED that by the casings and Nevill’s blood on the landing?

It’s blatantly obvious that the perp, Jeremy Bamber, quietly crept into the bedroom whilst June & Nevill were sleeping, and the bullets hit June first. Simple as that. Nevill obviously jumped up out of bed, struggled with Jeremy by the bedroom door and onto the landing — that’s where June comes in again — she raced to the door to try and help Nevill, hence her bloodstains on the carpet, Jeremy punched her in the face blackening her eye, she ran back a bit in all the panic and mayhem, then Jeremy shot her between her eyes. DEAD.

Nevill was then shot with the last of the bullets Jeremy had loaded in the rifle; Nevill would’ve known the rifle was now empty & raced downstairs to raise the alarm by calling 999 & possibly arming himself. You know the rest...Jeremy finished Nevill off in the kitchen.

Who is "They"?

[barrier]

The main purpose of a shooting reconstruction is to determine perp/victim location. 

In this case the prosecution alleged at trial that JB entered his parents bedroom under stealth and opened fire on NB and June in bed. The defence offered no alternative scenario.

The pathological evidence and casings show NB sustained 4 gsw's upstairs 2 of which were fired within inches of his face rendering him incapable of purposeful speech thereafter.  In which case how could he have made the call to JB?  And given NB's injuries to his face caused heavy loss of blood externally and internally why wasn't the handset/mouthpiece bloodstained?

What a reconstruction will do, based on all the physical evidence: blood stains to the floor and lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks, is show where in the farmhouse NB was positioned when he sustained the facial wounds and where the perp was positioned when he/she inflicted them.

To date there's no expert evidence available in this regard just the prosecution alleging what I've stated above.

I believe, based on the physical evidence, a professional reconstruction will show that when NB sustained the facial wounds he wasn't lying in bed but standing on the landing stairs which immediately precede the entrance to the bedroom.  And the perp was standing just inside the bedroom firing out onto the landing.  If I'm proved right then this puts a complete different complexion on this aspect of the case as it lends support to JB's claim of a tel call from NB in that it could be argued if NB was on the landing he had come up the main staircase from the kitchen having just called JB.

Therein it all falls down imo,the alleged phone call,why on earth would Nevill phone his son when his daughter is supposedly going crazy with a gun,it made no sense to the jury back in 86,it makes no sense with the passing of time.

[Holly Goodhead]

So what are you going to do, actually fire bullets into someone’s face to prove a point?  They didn’t need to recreate the shooting of JFK to prove definitively that that killing bullet that took the top off the president’s head came from the Book Depository building.

The JFK reconstruction showed where the shooter and JFK were located using bullet trajectory analysis.  As we know this bullet travelled some distance.

A reconstruction at WHF will be based on the same principles albeit the distances are much shorter which provides for even greater accuracy as you don't have to contend with any air resistance and drag.

Why do you think the pathologist provided information about the trajectories of the gunshot wounds and wound tracks if they have no meaning?

Why do you think all the casings were photographed at soc?

Why do you think the blood stains to floors were photographed/documented and tested?

Why do you think info re the distance of shots was made available?

The fact the above hasn't to date been pulled together to reconstruct what happened based on the physical evidence/scientific facts doesn't mean its not going to happen in the future.