How Did JB Commit The Killings

[Holly Goodhead]

For those who believe JB responsible.

[Caroline]

For those who believe JB responsible.

He shot everyone.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Adam’s post below more or less covers it for me.  It certainly makes alot more sense than any narrative involving Sheila.

“I re posted this scenario yesterday. A 'narrative' of how Bamber committed the massacre that matches the crime scene.

Cycle to WHF:

Evidence - Bike available. Easy journey. Unseen passing no dwellings. Quick journey. Bike taken to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre.


Get into WHF

Evidence - Bathroom window already loose or open. Quiet ground floor entrance. Bamber said he knew how to get in through this window. Bamber said found hacksaw by the window which was used on the window,  was his hacksaw. 


Pick up rifle:

Evidence ' Fully loaded rifle available as stated by Bamber.


Enter main bedroom:

Evidence - Two adults in this room who must be killed first as potential to provide most resistance.


Shoot an in bed June and Neville:

Evidence - 10 shots were fired in the main bedroom suggesting rifle was emptied in opening salvo.   June and Neville shot in or near the bed.


Go to reload or chase Neville:

Evidence - Spare bullets found in kitchen. Neville found in kitchen after a kitchen fight.


Kitchen fight:

Evidence - Neville was brutally beaten there.  Upturned and smashed kitchen items. Scratch marks on aga.


Shoot and kill a knocked out Neville:

Evidence - Four kitchen head shots into Neville.


Reload. Return upstairs:

Evidence - Further shots fired. All other shots upstairs.


Wake and persuade or force Sheila into the main bedroom. Or carry a sleeping Sheila.  Or shoot an already awake Sheila who had moved into the main bedroom.

Evidence - Sheila found shot in the corner of main bedroom.


Shoot June once more:

Evidence - June had moved a few feet. Final head shot required.


Reload, shoot the sleeping twins:

Evidence - Twins shot 8 times in bed. Amount of bullets used shows two reloads carried out on the night.

Twins likely to stay asleep behind shut door in another room during massacre.Upstairs massacre had been quiet, with silencer on rifle. June and Sheila putting up minimal resistance. Nevill's resistance was downstairs.


Stage the scene:

Evidence - Gun and bible by Sheila. Silencer put in a box. Neville's body moved to give easy access to naked back. Nevill's back burnt to check for signs of life.


Exit out of kitchen window:

Evidence - Twenty sources say it can be banged shut from outside.

Housekeeper said items around the window had been moved.

Crime scene photo's show only vertical lock in shut position. 


Cycle home:

Evidence - Bike found at Bambers cottage.”

[Holly Goodhead]

Adam’s post below more or less covers it for me.  It certainly makes alot more sense than any narrative involving Sheila.

“I re posted this scenario yesterday. A 'narrative' of how Bamber committed the massacre that matches the crime scene.

Cycle to WHF:

Evidence - Bike available. Easy journey. Unseen passing no dwellings. Quick journey. Bike taken to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre.


Get into WHF

Evidence - Bathroom window already loose or open. Quiet ground floor entrance. Bamber said he knew how to get in through this window. Bamber said found hacksaw by the window which was used on the window,  was his hacksaw. 


Pick up rifle:

Evidence ' Fully loaded rifle available as stated by Bamber.


Enter main bedroom:

Evidence - Two adults in this room who must be killed first as potential to provide most resistance.


Shoot an in bed June and Neville:

Evidence - 10 shots were fired in the main bedroom suggesting rifle was emptied in opening salvo.   June and Neville shot in or near the bed.


Go to reload or chase Neville:

Evidence - Spare bullets found in kitchen. Neville found in kitchen after a kitchen fight.


Kitchen fight:

Evidence - Neville was brutally beaten there.  Upturned and smashed kitchen items. Scratch marks on aga.


Shoot and kill a knocked out Neville:

Evidence - Four kitchen head shots into Neville.


Reload. Return upstairs:

Evidence - Further shots fired. All other shots upstairs.


Wake and persuade or force Sheila into the main bedroom. Or carry a sleeping Sheila.  Or shoot an already awake Sheila who had moved into the main bedroom.

Evidence - Sheila found shot in the corner of main bedroom.


Shoot June once more:

Evidence - June had moved a few feet. Final head shot required.


Reload, shoot the sleeping twins:

Evidence - Twins shot 8 times in bed. Amount of bullets used shows two reloads carried out on the night.

Twins likely to stay asleep behind shut door in another room during massacre.Upstairs massacre had been quiet, with silencer on rifle. June and Sheila putting up minimal resistance. Nevill's resistance was downstairs.


Stage the scene:

Evidence - Gun and bible by Sheila. Silencer put in a box. Neville's body moved to give easy access to naked back. Nevill's back burnt to check for signs of life.


Exit out of kitchen window:

Evidence - Twenty sources say it can be banged shut from outside.

Housekeeper said items around the window had been moved.

Crime scene photo's show only vertical lock in shut position. 


Cycle home:

Evidence - Bike found at Bambers cottage.”

Adam's reconstruction does not include the types of evidence that a professional shooting reconstruction is based on and which I've based my reconstruction on:

- Blood stains and lack of
- Casings, exited bullets and ricochet bullets
- Distance of shots
- Trajectories
- Wound tracks

https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780123822413/shooting-incident-reconstruction

If you think JB committed the killings I would be grateful if you can incorporate the above into your reconstruction.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Adam's reconstruction does not include the types of evidence that a professional shooting reconstruction is based on and which I've based my reconstruction on:

- Blood stains and lack of
- Casings, exited bullets and ricochet bullets
- Distance of shots
- Trajectories
- Wound tracks

https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780123822413/shooting-incident-reconstruction

If you think JB committed the killings I would be grateful if you can incorporate the above into your reconstruction.

Nah, you’re the expert, so you tell us how Adam’s reconstruction simply could not have happened as he describes. 

[barrier]

The most important of all,motive!,who had most to gain?

[The General]

Adam’s post below more or less covers it for me.  It certainly makes alot more sense than any narrative involving Sheila.

Why use the poker to look for signs of life, instead of just shooting Nevill again, or as many as it took.
Isn't that the reason for the overkill, to ensure no ID?

[Holly Goodhead]

Why use the poker to look for signs of life, instead of just shooting Nevill again, or as many as it took.
Isn't that the reason for the overkill, to ensure no ID?

Poker?

[The General]

Poker?

Evidence - Gun and bible by Sheila. Silencer put in a box. Neville's body moved to give easy access to naked back. Nevill's back burnt to check for signs of life.

What did this mean?

[Holly Goodhead]

Nah, you’re the expert, so you tell us how Adam’s reconstruction simply could not have happened as he describes.

You have ruled out Adam playing Devils advocate? 

A shooting reconstruction is based on the physical evidence
found at soc.  I will upload a couple of examples?

[Holly Goodhead]

Evidence - Gun and bible by Sheila. Silencer put in a box. Neville's body moved to give easy access to naked back. Nevill's back burnt to check for signs of life.

What did this mean?

Where does it come from?  Sounds like RWB's diary? 

[Nicholas]

You have ruled out Adam playing Devils advocate? 

A shooting reconstruction is based on the physical evidence
found at soc.  I will upload a couple of examples?

What do you mean by “Adam playing Devils Advocate?“

[Vertigo Swirl]

Evidence - Gun and bible by Sheila. Silencer put in a box. Neville's body moved to give easy access to naked back. Nevill's back burnt to check for signs of life.

What did this mean?

Nevill had scorch marks on his back.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You have ruled out Adam playing Devils advocate? 

A shooting reconstruction is based on the physical evidence
found at soc.  I will upload a couple of examples?

No, what gives you that idea?  I simply would like you to tell me what forensic evidence makes his scenario impossible.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Where does it come from?  Sounds like RWB's diary?

It comes from Adam’s post above.