How Did JB Commit The Killings

[Holly Goodhead]

Another example of a shooting reconstruction: Tony Martin/Bleak Farm at 45 mins in:

https://youtu.be/BemcOAg53eM

[Caroline]

Another example of a shooting reconstruction: Tony Martin/Bleak Farm at 45 mins in:

https://youtu.be/BemcOAg53eM

And as pointed out to you, there was a witness.

[Nicholas]

On the contrary actually.  He's a lawyer without so much as a parking ticket or speeding fine.

Is that because he doesn’t drive ?

[Nicholas]

Another example of a shooting reconstruction: Tony Martin/Bleak Farm at 45 mins in:

https://youtu.be/BemcOAg53eM

You have mentioned this before Holly

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10643.msg520348#msg520348

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11197.msg572547#msg572547

So has Chud http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg523849#msg523849

[Holly Goodhead]

And as pointed out to you, there was a witness.

And as pointed out to you, witnesses are not required for a reconstruction.  Where does it refer to witnesses in the following:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780123822413/shooting-incident-reconstruction

[Caroline]

And as pointed out to you, witnesses are not required for a reconstruction.  Where does it refer to witnesses in the following:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780123822413/shooting-incident-reconstruction

In the case you are talking about, it was the witness's word against that of Tony Martin, the witness provided evidence of where Martin was when he shot the victim - the reconstruction was on the basis of their claims. In the Bamber case, you would still be left with 'who was holding the gun' and that's the question your reconstruction couldn't answer.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In the case you are talking about, it was the witness's word against that of Tony Martin, the witness provided evidence of where Martin was when he shot the victim - the reconstruction was on the basis of their claims. In the Bamber case, you would still be left with 'who was holding the gun' and that's the question your reconstruction couldn't answer.

Exactly - I can't see how the evidence could distinguish between Sheila and Jeremy being the perpetrator - anything Sheila could have done, could also have been done by Jeremy could it not?

[APRIL]

Exactly - I can't see how the evidence could distinguish between Sheila and Jeremy being the perpetrator - anything Sheila could have done, could also have been done by Jeremy could it not?

And the deaths were more beneficial to Jeremy than to Sheila.

[Nicholas]

And the deaths were more beneficial to Jeremy than to Sheila.

They were murdered - ie murders

[Vertigo Swirl]

And the deaths were more beneficial to Jeremy than to Sheila.

He discussed burning down the Farm in 1984 with JM and one of his mates (when dragged in for questioning after JB's arrest) independently revealed that JB had talked about how much he would benefit from there being a fire at the Farm and all his relatives dying.  I think this is proof that JB had considered doing away with his family and the JM was being truthful when she revealed this to the police. 

[Brietta]

In the case you are talking about, it was the witness's word against that of Tony Martin, the witness provided evidence of where Martin was when he shot the victim - the reconstruction was on the basis of their claims. In the Bamber case, you would still be left with 'who was holding the gun' and that's the question your reconstruction couldn't answer.

I think a reconstruction wouldn't determine anything.  It would all be speculation.  For example where was the first shot taken ~ where was the last shot taken ~ what were the movements in between?

As I said ~ all speculation with the exception that five individuals would remain dead and their killer would still have no chance of getting another bite at the cherry based on that ludicrous speculation.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

And I would like you to go through and identify the sources.

My reconstruction is based on the physical evidence with mostly reliable sources:

Blood stains and lack of - soc officers, biologist and senior lecturer in blood serology groups

Casings - soc officers

Distance of shots - ballistics





Trajectories of wounds - pathologist

Wound tracks - pathologist

They were all carried out, Holly...you know that.

And all the scientific evidence proved Sheila couldn’t have done it!

Do you understand the reports or should we explain them to you? Or perhaps you should look through the COA & previous Court docs which highlight all these scientific investigations which proved Sheila couldn’t have carried out the murders, nor killed her self.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Did the pathologists conclude the marks to NB's back were burns?

There's a mountain of material in the public domain.  I look for reliable sources.

Do you think, Holly, that all those reliable sources you’ve found amongst the mountain of evidence, is the reason why after 10 years or longer, you haven’t been able to find ONE solid piece of evidence that suggests Jeremy could be innocent?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The key to understanding it is a professional shooting reconstruction which should have taken place at the time but its never too late.

But they’re all dead!

How can they do a reconstruction when they can’t know Jeremy’s exact movements after he crawled in through the window?

He’s hardly going to tell anyone!

If they did do a reconstruction it would just be assumption, so it’s a pointless exercise. Anyway, it isn’t needed — they proved Jeremy Bamber is the murderer 35 years ago....

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The most important of all,motive!,who had most to gain?

Jeremy Bamber