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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #150 on: April 21, 2020, 12:22:29 PM »
Due to the current activity levels on the board we need to maintain the following rule set out on the homepage:

* Posters are asked to keep to thread topics where possible

Going forward I will be removing all posts that are off topic.

Thanks.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #151 on: April 21, 2020, 12:27:38 PM »
As I said previously, the prosecution case at trial was that JB entered his parents bedroom and opened fire and that NB's 4 upstairs gsw's were inflicted in the bedroom.  The junior defence QC asked Malcolm Fletcher (ballistics from a HO run lab) whether any of the adults sustained any gsw's upstairs outside the bedroom and he replied 'No'.  The pathological evidence showed after NB sustained the 2 facial gsw's, inflicted upstairs, he was incapable of purposeful speech thereafter.  Therefore how could NB have made the call to JB when he arrived in the kitchen if he was incapable of purposeful speech and why was the hanset/mouthpiece free of blood when the facial wounds produced heavy blood loss internally and externally.

In this case MF was not asked and did not volunteer how he arrived at the above conclusion. 

You can see from the JFK shooting it involves a multi-disciplinary team going to soc to reconstruct.  In this case with the exception of Dr Vanezis and the prosecutor no one even visited WHF let alone carried out a reconstruction.

IMO all the physical evidence supports NB sustaining his facial gsw's on the landing stairs with the perp firing out of the bedroom onto the landing.  NB then turned and when on the main staircase facing down towards the front door he sustained the two gsw's to his rear whilst the perp was behind ie higher up the staircase.

I don't expect most others here to share my views on this as most are wedded to JB guilty as charged, but what I struggle to understand is the denial that it is possible to carry out a professional reconstruction today.


Dr Vanezis did indeed visit WHF the next day, Holly

He went with DS Jones and other officers

Taff turned up and went berserk, purple with rage, shouting abuse and demanding they left.

But Dr Vanezis had by that time seen the soc and pictures of the rifle, and that’s when he knew Sheila could not possibly have been the murderer or killed herself.

In the event, forensics proved all what you’re trying to deny happened by attempting a reconstruction which will throw nothing up at all. Forensics established whose blood was where, how many shots were fired, and more crucially — that Sheila had none of the others blood on her, no gun residue, no sugar, blood or glass on her feet, none of her blood running downwards which it would have done after she’d been shot the FIRST time...so that’s all been proven.

The only reconstruction you could do would to see how Sheila supposedly beat Nevill to a pulp and shot herself twice.

But there’s no point — it’s been proven she couldn’t have.
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline APRIL

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #152 on: April 21, 2020, 12:37:30 PM »
To date a prefessional reconstruction hasn't taken place.

This thread has nothing to do with the psychological aspects.


Unless you view victims and perpetrator as cardboard cut-outs, the psychological aspects are part of it.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #153 on: April 21, 2020, 12:38:07 PM »
Where does it mention witnesses in the following?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780123822413/shooting-incident-reconstruction


You keep on about JFK, but he was the President of the United States where almost everyone has a gun, and they needed to establish exactly where the gunshots came from.

They don’t need to do this for the Bambers’ case: they know where the gunshots came from and from which direction. They know who was shot dead where, and knew where Jeremy Bamber must have been standing. And if he was standing an extra foot further away...so what? The forensics have established how they were shot, by bloods.

A reconstruction of the shootings wouldn’t establish who the shooter was, Holly.

But a reconstruction of Sheila shooting herself twice would be telling....Don't you think?
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Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline The General

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #154 on: April 21, 2020, 12:41:03 PM »

You keep on about JFK, but he was the President of the United States where almost everyone has a gun, and they needed to establish exactly where the gunshots came from.

They don’t need to do this for the Bambers’ case: they know where the gunshots came from and from which direction. They know who was shot dead where, and knew where Jeremy Bamber must have been standing. And if he was standing an extra foot further away...so what? The forensics have established how they were shot, where by bloods.

A reconstruction of the shootings wouldn’t establish who the shooter was, Holly.

But a reconstruction of Sheila shooting herself twice would be telling....Don't you think?
Even a rudimentary staging of the shooting would prove conclusive, if the sequence could be determined.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Caroline

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #155 on: April 21, 2020, 12:50:53 PM »
Even a rudimentary staging of the shooting would prove conclusive, if the sequence could be determined.

Any reconstruction is going to be subjective and it certainly wouldn't show who was holding the gun so, it's a waste of time.

Offline Nicholas

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #156 on: April 21, 2020, 01:22:02 PM »


Has that fake lawyer been released from prison yet? Maybe it’s him...

Was he into guns?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #157 on: April 21, 2020, 02:04:38 PM »

How we see any of their victims, with hindsight, depends largely on how the manipulator saw their potential in the beginning, and how successfully they were able to manipulate. Some manage to break the hold.

 Giovanni di Stefano ?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Myster

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #158 on: April 21, 2020, 02:24:33 PM »
Giovanni di Stefano ?
This never gets old, always watch it when I need a good  @)(++(* ...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUueF_u7kYM
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline APRIL

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #159 on: April 21, 2020, 02:26:05 PM »
This never gets old, always watch it when I need a good  @)(++(* ...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUueF_u7kYM


Thank-you Myster. I will watch. Maybe I'll learn?..................or not!!!
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #160 on: April 21, 2020, 02:42:03 PM »
Despite asking everyone to remain on-topic at 12.22 I've just removed some 30 - 40 of off-topic posts which has taken about the same amount of time.

John reviews all removed posts and I will be emailing him recommending that the worst offenders face sanctions if they continually flout the rules.  It surely isn't difficult to either retrieve old threads or start up new ones?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #161 on: April 21, 2020, 02:44:39 PM »

Dr Vanezis did indeed visit WHF the next day, Holly

He went with DS Jones and other officers

Taff turned up and went berserk, purple with rage, shouting abuse and demanding they left.

But Dr Vanezis had by that time seen the soc and pictures of the rifle, and that’s when he knew Sheila could not possibly have been the murderer or killed herself.

In the event, forensics proved all what you’re trying to deny happened by attempting a reconstruction which will throw nothing up at all. Forensics established whose blood was where, how many shots were fired, and more crucially — that Sheila had none of the others blood on her, no gun residue, no sugar, blood or glass on her feet, none of her blood running downwards which it would have done after she’d been shot the FIRST time...so that’s all been proven.

The only reconstruction you could do would to see how Sheila supposedly beat Nevill to a pulp and shot herself twice.

But there’s no point — it’s been proven she couldn’t have.

Holly doesn’t appear interested in facts
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #162 on: April 21, 2020, 04:40:41 PM »
Holly and likeminded supporters believe that the mess in the kitchen was created by the police on entry to the house.  How much confidence can there be therefore that easily moveable items like cartridge casings were left in exactly the same place as they fell (and that’s before we even consider the yappy dog that was loose in the house before the police entered).
Not a handwriting expert.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #163 on: April 21, 2020, 05:43:58 PM »
Holly and likeminded supporters believe that the mess in the kitchen was created by the police on entry to the house.  How much confidence can there be therefore that easily moveable items like cartridge casings were left in exactly the same place as they fell (and that’s before we even consider the yappy dog that was loose in the house before the police entered).

I think it more likely that NB stumbled into kitchen furniture.

In terms of the casings you're right research shows up to 25% deviation.



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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline APRIL

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #164 on: April 21, 2020, 05:51:30 PM »
To date a prefessional reconstruction hasn't taken place.

This thread has nothing to do with the psychological aspects.


How can it possibly NOT have? Every act carried out by every person, whether you like it or not, carries it's own psychology. It's about why we are who we are. It informs everything we do, irrespective of whether you agree.