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Offline Myster

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #240 on: April 23, 2020, 08:55:35 AM »
So what are we arguing about?
Holly's stubborness to accept the truth of what actually happened.
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Offline Myster

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #241 on: April 23, 2020, 08:57:32 AM »
Out of interest how were the doors locked? key left in?,yale locks? bolted? why couldn't JB leave by a door?
Yes, all locked and/or bolted from inside, with keys still in place.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #242 on: April 23, 2020, 09:44:42 AM »
Out of interest how were the doors locked? key left in?,yale locks? bolted? why couldn't JB leave by a door?

The main front door was opened by APS Manners and he mentions no bolts, just a 'small flat knob' which he turned to unlock the door. [w/s 23/09/85]
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Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #243 on: April 23, 2020, 10:17:43 AM »
Out of interest how were the doors locked? key left in?,yale locks? bolted? why couldn't JB leave by a door?

Why indeed. I can't see why he would have had trouble leaving the property; it was getting in that was the challenge.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #244 on: April 23, 2020, 10:26:01 AM »
CAL describes im detail a (IMO) very plausible account of how Jeremy committed the killings.  She (unlike you) has had access to many of those who were actually present at the scene of the crime, and interviewed many of the key players.  She acknowledges that some of them have slight variances to her own theory but overall the account hangs together.  Which elements of it are inaccurate or implausible in your view and why?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7466.msg349195#msg349195
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #245 on: April 23, 2020, 10:31:46 AM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7466.msg349195#msg349195

The difference between CAL's reconstruction and mine is hers is big on melo-drama and zero on the physical evidence and mine is big on the physical evidence and zero on melo-drama.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #246 on: April 23, 2020, 10:39:19 AM »
Holly's stubborness to accept the truth of what actually happened.

The only person who knows the truth about what happened that night is sadly no longer with us.  Even NB and June would not have known exactly what happened since events occurred separately in different rooms.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline The General

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #247 on: April 23, 2020, 11:09:21 AM »
The only person who knows the truth about what happened that night is sadly no longer with us.  Even NB and June would not have known exactly what happened since events occurred separately in different rooms.
I see what you did there. But Jeremy knows, so does Julie Mugford - and, vicariously, so do we.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #248 on: April 23, 2020, 12:02:54 PM »
I see what you did there. But Jeremy knows, so does Julie Mugford - and, vicariously, so do we.

JB knows whether or not he was involved.  If he was involved then obviously he knows exactly who was shot where and when. If he wasn't involved he will probably know less than we do here.

JM knows whether or not her testimony at trial was truthful.  it wasn't truthful it could still mean JB was involved and he simply didn't tell her.  If it was truthful JB may have said it as a wind-up.

A professional reconstruction will be unable to produce anything akin to cctv but what it will do is show NB's exact position in the farmhouse when he sustained the 4 upstairs gsw's along with the perp's location when he/she inflicted them and this is the most contentious part of the reconstruction:

- Did JB enter his parents bedroom, who up until that point were in bed, and open fire meaning NB was then unable to have made the call to JB as per the pathological evidence and lack of bloodstains on the phone or;

- Was NB already downstairs in the kitchen making the tel call to JB whilst SC went upstairs opened fire on June.  NB hearing the shots and/or June left the phone call, run upstairs and as he was stood on the landing stairs immediately preceding the bedroom he sustained the 2 gsw's to his face which SC inflicted from just inside the bedroom.  NB then turned to retreat downstairs with SC following and inflicting the two gsw's to his rear whilst the pair were positioned on the main staircase.

Unlike witnesses the physical evidence, of which there's a huge amount in this case, is capable of revealing the truth, which imo will show NB sustained all 4 gsw's as I've described above on the landing stairs and main staircase.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #249 on: April 23, 2020, 12:14:41 PM »
JB knows whether or not he was involved.  If he was involved then obviously he knows exactly who was shot where and when. If he wasn't involved he will probably know less than we do here.

JM knows whether or not her testimony at trial was truthful.  it wasn't truthful it could still mean JB was involved and he simply didn't tell her.  If it was truthful JB may have said it as a wind-up.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #250 on: April 23, 2020, 12:17:04 PM »
JB knows whether or not he was involved.  If he was involved then obviously he knows exactly who was shot where and when. If he wasn't involved he will probably know less than we do here.

JM knows whether or not her testimony at trial was truthful.  it wasn't truthful it could still mean JB was involved and he simply didn't tell her.  If it was truthful JB may have said it as a wind-up.

A professional reconstruction will be unable to produce anything akin to cctv but what it will do is show NB's exact position in the farmhouse when he sustained the 4 upstairs gsw's along with the perp's location when he/she inflicted them and this is the most contentious part of the reconstruction:

- Did JB enter his parents bedroom, who up until that point were in bed, and open fire meaning NB was then unable to have made the call to JB as per the pathological evidence and lack of bloodstains on the phone or;

- Was NB already downstairs in the kitchen making the tel call to JB whilst SC went upstairs opened fire on June.  NB hearing the shots and/or June left the phone call, run upstairs and as he was stood on the landing stairs immediately preceding the bedroom he sustained the 2 gsw's to his face which SC inflicted from just inside the bedroom.  NB then turned to retreat downstairs with SC following and inflicting the two gsw's to his rear whilst the pair were positioned on the main staircase.

Unlike witnesses the physical evidence, of which there's a huge amount in this case, is capable of revealing the truth, which imo will show NB sustained all 4 gsw's as I've described above on the landing stairs and main staircase.

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #251 on: April 23, 2020, 12:24:28 PM »
But that's your interpretation not the pathologists.  The pathologist has always made clear he did not see anything at soc SC was incapable of and he was unable to conclude murder or suicide.

Dr Vanezis is a highly qualified expert of long experience with an unblemished career and I don't understand why you want to deviate from his professional opinion?


You’re wrong.

Dr Vanezis has officially stated that after having seen the soc, including photos etc, he is adamant Sheila could not possibly have murdered everyone, including beating Nevill to a pulp, and DEFINITELY couldn’t have shot herself.

It’s in CAL’s book and you’ll also find it by Googling... I take it you know how to research?
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #252 on: April 23, 2020, 12:29:03 PM »
JB denied knowing of a way to exit WHF closing the window securely behind.


He denes everything...

As the prison psychiatrist said after many hours of speaking to Jeremy and listening to him, he asserted “Jeremy Bamber is a pathological liar and a psychopath. He’s guilty as hell”
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #253 on: April 23, 2020, 12:33:21 PM »

Surely, if he knew how to enter through a securely closed window, he'd have discovered how to leave it the way he found it after he'd exited? However, if we allow for, perhaps he may not have bothered, can we be absolutely certain that every window was checked thoroughly? Finding 99% of those thoroughly checked to be secure, might not the last 1% have had just a cursory glance?


Was Jeremy Bamber ever found inside WHF house — trapped in?

Just asking....

It’s just that not many people break into a property (their own home at that) knowing they’d be trapped inside...
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: How Did JB Commit The Killings
« Reply #254 on: April 23, 2020, 12:41:28 PM »
273. Further complaint is made that the prosecution failed to disclose the fact that DC Barlow examined the windows of White House Farm on 22 August 1985 and noted nothing of significance in relation to the bathroom window. His statement of 21 November 1985 indicates that:

"on Thursday the 22nd of August I was on duty when I went to White House Farm. There I made an examination of the kitchen window"

There is no reference in the statement to the bathroom window. 274. In notes written for the Essex Review (after trial) he wrote:

"22/8/85 first opportunity to go to White House Farm. Examined all the windows. Most are sash type and could be opened from outside but could not be closed"



The window that the perp, Jeremy escaped through was the KITCHEN window which was NOT a sash window.

Officers examined it and the latch and did exactly as Julie had described to them when Jeremy told her how he’d get out, and they too banged the window hard and the latch went down.

It was clearly an old, well-used latch, hence why it was looser than when new.

This has all been proven 35 years ago...
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