would you leave your children alone like the mcanns did?? and if not why

[stephen25000]

How long do you think it takes to walk 80 metres even after a bottle of wine ? I could probably crawl that distance on my hands and knees in less than 3 minutes

Don't be stupid.

[stephen25000]

Quite agree.

At a fast walking pace, a quick  walk.

However, you do not know how fast these people were walking, whether distracted and/or the influence of alcohol, and of course we all know what alcohol does to human reflexes and reaction times.

That also applies to the so called 'regular' checks, which had no independent verification, and were also subject to the distracting effects of Ethanol consumption.

Try not to overlook the obvious.

Just how drunk would you have to be to take 10 minutes to walk 80-ish metres?  Bearing in mind that it is humanly possible to run 100 metres in less than 10 seconds?  A minute to go 8 metres would probably mean you were mostly walking backwards.

So people drinking walk at normal pace and behave normally. Pull the other one.

Effectively all you are doing is making ridiculous excuses for the Mccanns.

They were not in the 'back garden', they were in a bar drinking.

They left their children selfishly, so they could go out to wine and dine.

The bottom line remains, the McCanns through blatant and arrogant stupidity, placed their children in danger.

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm only 19 yoa and don't have children but I have looked after my younger siblings and other children.

I most definitely would not leave three children aged 3 and under unsupervised, period. 

Reasons for not:

1. Wake up and get distressed eg bad dream, unfamiliar surroundings, no reassuring responsible person present.

2. Madeleine wakes and comes to harm eg sharp instrument, runs bath, puts wet fingers in socket, list is endless.

3. Madeleine wakes and twins wake as 1 and 2 above also.

4. Fire breaks out.

I have no idea whether or not the parents are indirectly responsible or in some way involved.  I say indirectly as I am 100% certain that they would never have intentionally harmed any of their children in any shape or form.

Leaving them unsupervised though is in my opinion the height of irresponsibility.  Perhaps made worse by the fact that they are professionals. 

[stephen25000]

I'm only 19 yoa and don't have children but I have looked after my younger siblings and other children.

I most definitely would not leave three children aged 3 and under unsupervised, period. 

Reasons for not:

1. Wake up and get distressed eg bad dream, unfamiliar surroundings, no reassuring responsible person present.

2. Madeleine wakes and comes to harm eg sharp instrument, runs bath,
4. Fire breaks out.

I have no idea whether or not the parents are indirectly responsible or in some way involved.  I say indirectly as I am 100% certain that they would never have intentionally harmed any of their children in any shape or form.

Leaving them unsupervised though is in my opinion the height of irresponsibility.  Perhaps made worse by the fact that they are professionals.

Well said Holly.

[gilet]

Quite agree.

At a fast walking pace, a quick  walk.

However, you do not know how fast these people were walking, whether distracted and/or the influence of alcohol, and of course we all know what alcohol does to human reflexes and reaction times.

That also applies to the so called 'regular' checks, which had no independent verification, and were also subject to the distracting effects of Ethanol consumption.

Try not to overlook the obvious.

Martin Brunt was walking at a perfectly normal pace. I suggest you look up the video he did for Channel 4 and watch it.

Interesting you mention ethanol consumption. Most normal people describe wine by the more common term alcohol. That you choose to distance yourself from normality in that way is most peculiar.

Perhaps another myth needs to be discussed as well?

[debunker]

@Stephen25000

YOu claim that they were to some extent intoxicated. How much did they have to drink that night.

IF you are going to make claims, you must be prepared to back them up.

[stephen25000]

Martin Brunt was walking at a perfectly normal pace. I suggest you look up the video he did for Channel 4 and watch it.

Interesting you mention ethanol consumption. Most normal people describe wine by the more common term alcohol. That you choose to distance yourself from normality in that way is most peculiar.

Perhaps another myth needs to be discussed as well?

How truly pathetic.

How many people behave normally under the influence of alcohol/ethanol.

You do know of course alcohol is a generic name for a group of compounds, ethanol is specific to one compound.

If you want to see the effects of ethanol on 'normal' people, visit a town or city centre at the weekend, in the evenings.

 

[Cudge]

How long do you think it takes to walk 80 metres even after a bottle of wine ? I could probably crawl that distance on my hands and knees in less than 3 minutes

Don't be stupid.

What's stupid about that are you suggesting it is impossible to crawl 27 metres in 60 seconds ?

[stephen25000]

@Stephen25000

YOu claim that they were to some extent intoxicated. How much did they have to drink that night.

IF you are going to make claims, you must be prepared to back them up.

I said over the spread of several nights.

Likewise ,get off your backside and search, to find the waiters statements.

Again all I see from you is making excuses not to blame the Mccanns.

Now why would that be ?

[stephen25000]

What's stupid about that are you suggesting it is impossible to crawl 27 metres in 60 seconds ?

What planet are you living on ?

What is crawling on your belly got anything to do with the distance from the Tapas bar, you know, that's the place they were drinking, to the apartment  ?

[faithlilly]

Neither the Portuguese nor the English legal system considered that the crime of neglect had occurred.

DO you not remember Debunker's Challenge-

ANy case in the UK where children were left alone in a domestic setting with claimed checks every 20-30 minutes, in the absence of any previous child care or criminal problems, where a criminal charge was successful in court.

NO one has found such a case in si,x years.

Pretty good guide that though what the McCanns did was very doubtful (IMHO) it was not criminal.

In the same vein can you cite any case where a child of Madeleine's age was abducted from an apartment that was not her home, in a country that she was not a native of and that turned up unharmed many years later ?

Just one will do.

[Eleanor]

Hallo, CarlyMichelle, and welcome.

I left my children alone under similar circumstances.  And if I recall correctly, so did your parents leave you alone.  Or so have you said several times.  Perhaps you were lying about this.
Fortunately, you were not abducted.  But have you forgiven your parents for what you consider to be child abuse?
I would really like an answer to this.

[Cudge]

What planet are you living on ?

What is crawling on your belly got anything to do with the distance from the Tapas bar, you know, that's the place they were drinking, to the apartment  ?

You are presumably not aware of figures of speech usually used  when presented with irrational statements. You are suggesting that it could take 10 minutes to walk 80 yards which I consider to be somewhat extreme drink or no drink (In other words you are being disingenuous to suggest it was much further than it actually was to support your own ends). My response was 80 metres in 10 minutes I could  travel that distance on my hands and knees(never mentioned on my belly) in a third of the time  which guess what I can.

[gilet]

How truly pathetic.

How many people behave normally under the influence of alcohol/ethanol.

You do know of course alcohol is a generic name for a group of compounds, ethanol is specific to one compound.

If you want to see the effects of ethanol on 'normal' people, visit a town or city centre at the weekend, in the evenings.

You are being utterly ridiculous. The McCanns were not drinking ethanol but wine. Your introduction of the notion of ethanol is pure distraction.

And it is perfectly possible for a person to walk almost normally (they may even speed up) after a few glasses of wine.

Your whole argument on this issue is bordering on the ludicrous.

The issue is that a normal pace for the walk as evidenced by Brunt in the video is 50 seconds for the 80 metres. That is a far cry from the carlymichelle claim of five to ten minutes which is outlandishly ridiculous.

[debunker]

Neither the Portuguese nor the English legal system considered that the crime of neglect had occurred.

DO you not remember Debunker's Challenge-

ANy case in the UK where children were left alone in a domestic setting with claimed checks every 20-30 minutes, in the absence of any previous child care or criminal problems, where a criminal charge was successful in court.

NO one has found such a case in si,x years.

Pretty good guide that though what the McCanns did was very doubtful (IMHO) it was not criminal.

In the same vein can you cite any case where a child of Madeleine's age was abducted from an apartment that was not her home, in a country that she was not a native of and that turned up unharmed many years later ?



Just one will do.

THat is another question of a completely different nature.

I know of only one case where a telivision presenter was gunned down on her doorstep by her killer. Just because I cannot cite a similar case does not mean Jill Dando is alive!

THe assertion being made is that the McCann's child care was criminal neglect. The lack of any similar case DOES demonstrate that such behaviour has not historically been treated as criminal.