Author Topic: Why Would Sheila Have Used a Gun When She Didn’t Know How to Work One?  (Read 4878 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

OK, so equate calm and brushing her hair with loading a rifle and shooting the whole family, how is that calm? Speechless!
And beating Daddy to a pulp, calmly.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline The General

I don’t know, my point wasn’t whether or not G-Unit had to completely fill the magazine with bullets when she was at the funfair but whether she had to do it at all.  She seems to be trying to make out that loading and firing an Anschutz is something that most people of a certain age would be familiar with, which is patently ballcocks of the first order, IMO.
Those one's at the fairground have a load of lead shot fed in to them - not .22 rounds.
So it's not the same and the rifle is not even close to being the same.
Bloody rip off those games too.....
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Offline G-Unit

That would have been an air-rifle firing tiny lead pellets, not a semi-auto using propellant-driven cartridges... far too dangerous at any Silcocks fairground.

They used .22 rifles and were exempt from holding firearms certificates for them.

1982;
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord Elton) My Lords, Section 11(4) of the Firearms Act 1968 permits a person conducting or carrying on a shooting gallery at which only air weapons or miniature rifles not exceeding .23 calibre are used, to acquire and possess such rifles and their ammunition, without holding a firearm certificate. It is not necessary to hold a certificate to use an exempted rifle at a shooting gallery. We are not persuaded that the removal of this exemption would be justified at present, but the position will be kept under review.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1982/may/04/shooting-gallery-rifles-control

Whilst there is no legal definition of a miniature rifle (other than one which does not exceed . 23” in calibre), it is generally accepted that this refers only to rifles firing . 22 rimfire cartridges.
https://www.guntradenews.com/comment/legal/legal-small-bore-and-the-law/


https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1982/may/04/shooting-gallery-rifles-control
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Common sense

OK, so equate calm and brushing her hair with loading a rifle and shooting the whole family, how is that calm? Speechless!

Perhaps she was in a period of calm and brushing her hair when Nevill decided to call JB instead of disarming her?  *%87

Offline G-Unit

As opposed to Bamber who we KNOW 'messed with them'? You can't see that you're making excuses.

We know that Jeremy Bamber shot at school. We also know he shot Anthony Pargeter's rifle. We know that he and his father took the Anchutz out in July, but not if they fired it. We're not sure if he fired in on 6th August. Anything else?
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

They used .22 rifles and were exempt from holding firearms certificates for them.

1982;
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord Elton) My Lords, Section 11(4) of the Firearms Act 1968 permits a person conducting or carrying on a shooting gallery at which only air weapons or miniature rifles not exceeding .23 calibre are used, to acquire and possess such rifles and their ammunition, without holding a firearm certificate. It is not necessary to hold a certificate to use an exempted rifle at a shooting gallery. We are not persuaded that the removal of this exemption would be justified at present, but the position will be kept under review.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1982/may/04/shooting-gallery-rifles-control

Whilst there is no legal definition of a miniature rifle (other than one which does not exceed . 23” in calibre), it is generally accepted that this refers only to rifles firing . 22 rimfire cartridges.
https://www.guntradenews.com/comment/legal/legal-small-bore-and-the-law/


https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1982/may/04/shooting-gallery-rifles-control
Are you suggesting that it would have been possible to shoot someone dead at the fairground with one of those guns in the 1960s?
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Vertigo Swirl

We know that Jeremy Bamber shot at school. We also know he shot Anthony Pargeter's rifle. We know that he and his father took the Anchutz out in July, but not if they fired it. We're not sure if he fired in on 6th August. Anything else?
We know that he loaded it on the evening of the murders and went outside with it with the intention of using it, unless you think he’s lying?
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline G-Unit

Are you suggesting that it would have been possible to shoot someone dead at the fairground with one of those guns in the 1960s?

Looks like it;

On 24 July 1965, Mills was found dead in his car, parked in Goslett Yard, off an alleyway behind his nightclub.[97] A fairground rifle was found in the car with Mills, who had been shot through his right eye. He had told the nightclub staff that he was going for a nap in his car, something that he often did.[98] His body was found at approximately 11:45 p.m. by doorman Robert Deacon. An ambulance was not called until Mills's wife arrived over an hour later.[99] A week or two previously, he had borrowed a 0.22 calibre rifle from May Ronaldson, whom he knew from his boxing booth days, and who ran a shooting gallery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mills#Death
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Caroline

Perhaps she was in a period of calm and brushing her hair when Nevill decided to call JB instead of disarming her?  *%87

Perhaps, but the raving that Freddie mentioned doesn't equate to her being able to set up the rifle - it took a certain amount of thinking to attach the mag, not something you could do in the state described by Freddie.

Offline Caroline

We know that Jeremy Bamber shot at school. We also know he shot Anthony Pargeter's rifle. We know that he and his father took the Anchutz out in July, but not if they fired it. We're not sure if he fired in on 6th August. Anything else?

Are you serious?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Looks like it;

On 24 July 1965, Mills was found dead in his car, parked in Goslett Yard, off an alleyway behind his nightclub.[97] A fairground rifle was found in the car with Mills, who had been shot through his right eye. He had told the nightclub staff that he was going for a nap in his car, something that he often did.[98] His body was found at approximately 11:45 p.m. by doorman Robert Deacon. An ambulance was not called until Mills's wife arrived over an hour later.[99] A week or two previously, he had borrowed a 0.22 calibre rifle from May Ronaldson, whom he knew from his boxing booth days, and who ran a shooting gallery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mills#Death
You seem to be making a big assumption there not that this has anything whatosever to do with any point you've been struggling to make.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Caroline

Looks like it;

On 24 July 1965, Mills was found dead in his car, parked in Goslett Yard, off an alleyway behind his nightclub.[97] A fairground rifle was found in the car with Mills, who had been shot through his right eye. He had told the nightclub staff that he was going for a nap in his car, something that he often did.[98] His body was found at approximately 11:45 p.m. by doorman Robert Deacon. An ambulance was not called until Mills's wife arrived over an hour later.[99] A week or two previously, he had borrowed a 0.22 calibre rifle from May Ronaldson, whom he knew from his boxing booth days, and who ran a shooting gallery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mills#Death

This is kind of off topic but that doesn't mean that the rifle used was from the shooting gallery.

Offline Common sense

Perhaps, but the raving that Freddie mentioned doesn't equate to her being able to set up the rifle - it took a certain amount of thinking to attach the mag, not something you could do in the state described by Freddie.

Sorry, yes I missed your point.. impossible to equate the two.

The CT like to say that Freddies evidence would have swayed the jury but I imagine someone as skilled as Arlidge would have demonstrated that SCs past episodes actually go some way to disproving she was capable of a sustained and focused period of violence.

Offline G-Unit

You seem to be making a big assumption there not that this has anything whatosever to do with any point you've been struggling to make.

My point was that I've shot a .22 rifle without any training at all. If I can so can others.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

My point was that I've shot a .22 rifle without any training at all. If I can so can others.
Did you have to load bullets into the magazine and fix it to the gun first? 
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian