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Offline Nicholas

FAO Mark Newby & the CT

I honestly do believe, based on my early conversations with Jeremy, before the rest of the info was given to us, purely as a distraction, that thus was a prefessiinal job done made to look like Jeremy did it.
It makes sense.
Someone at the window.
Talking to someone in the house.
The figure seen in the fields running away from the direction of the house.
The delayed entrance by firearms unit.
Having Jeremy call the police in.
Why Neveille phoned Jeremy and not the police.

Jeremy doesn't know. He was outside with the police.

For his defence, he would not have any idea whatsoever that people in high places do such wicked things.

He couldn't use it then however with all we know about those elites now, it makes good defense. Its proving it!!
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

In Mark Newbys 2013 article ‘Not innocent enough to be compensated?’ he refers to the Barry George case

Matt Stanbury & Mark Newby
Current and future claimants will likely find that their prospects of success are not improved in any substantial way by this decision
https://www.thejusticegap.com/not-innocent-enough-to-be-compensated/

What was the point of it ?

And if you click on the above link to the article - at the side and foot it states the author is Jon Robins and in the body of the article it reads,

Barry George, wrongly convicted of the murder of BBC TV presenter Jill Dando, has lost a bid for compensation, ruled the High Court today. Three other people whose convictions had been quashed also failed to win compensation but Ian Lawless, jailed for eight years for murder before being freed by the Court of Appeal in 2009, was successful.

This article is written by Mark Newby, solicitor advocate with QualitySolicitors Jordans and advisor to the Innocent Network UK, and Matthew Stanbury, a barrister at Garden Court North Chambers who practices in human rights, public law, prison law and crime.
Mark Newby and Matthew Stanbury acted for Ian Lawless.


Talk about ‘confusing’

David over on blue has posted on the Steven Avery case here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10260.msg479218.html#msg479218

”That "documentary" series is fictional. Avery got his compensation for his wrongful imprisonment. He was not setup the second time.

This was said at his sentencing.


"The fact that everyone acknowledged that you had been wrongly convicted made you a subject of sympathy, not only in this community, but across the State. The State legislature introduced legislation which bore your name, extending greater protections to those accused of crimes in order to reduce the future potential for wrongful convictions. Legislators were questioning whether the State shouldn't be increasing the maximum amount of compensation which can be awarded to persons who were wrongfully incarcerated.

You were also the plaintiff in a civil suit against Manitowoc County, which promised to bring you significant compensation for your lengthy period of wrongful incarceration. Even with the specter of the homicide charges in this case hanging over your head, your attorneys were able to settle that case for $400,000. However, despite having the widespread sympathy of the public, and the prospects for a significant financial award, you committed the horrible crime that brings you here to be sentenced today.

All the evidence suggests that this was not a crime of passion, but rather of planned premeditation. There is no indication, that I saw in the trial, that you were under the influence of alcohol or drugs at the time. The victim was not a acquaintance with which you had any particular relationship that could have given rise to any type of domestic disturbance, but was a mere business acquaintance. Moreover, the crime was not the result of a youthful lapse of judgement; you were 43 years old at the time you committed the crime.

In terms of assessing your danger to society, the evidence forces me to conclude that you are probably the most dangerous individual ever to set foot in this courtroom."


There’s a link here https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAveryIsGuilty/comments/cszdvt/what_the_judge_said_to_steven_avery/

John Collins refers to this case in his podast with Roberta Glass here https://podbay.fm/podcast/1446785430/e/1573848019 on innocence fraud

Dean Strang represented Avery
Open justice charter launch: Steven Avery’s lawyers support calls for greater transparency by Jon Robins of The Justice Gap - Feb 2017
https://www.thejusticegap.com/unacceptably-haphazard-steven-averys-lawyers-support-open-justice-campaign/

In January 2019 Mark Newby stated on Victor Nealon’s case,

”It is devastating for Mr Nealon and an appalling reflection on the system that he should be denied compensation in circumstances where the state wrongly imprisoned him for so many years”

https://www.thejusticegap.com/fight-for-miscarriage-of-justice-compensation-to-go-to-strasbourg/

Further from Mark Newby & Matt Stanbury’s article, ‘Not innocent enough to be compensated?’ and with the sentencing remarks of the Steven Avery case in mind - especially in relation to all those in the UK who’ve been compensated for their ‘wrongful conviction’ - and thinking about ‘confessional evidence cases’ like that of Mike O’Brien, Ian Lawless, Paul Blackburn..

“Two high court judges (Lord Justice Beatson LJ and Justice Irwin) delivering the decision of the Divisional Court on the challenges of claimants to the refusal of the secretary of state for compensation have disappointed four out of the five claimants, including Barry George, with only Ian Lawless succeeding in his challenge.

In our last article we articulated the test under Section 133 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 and the four categories of case to which the court must have regard in determining applications for compensation. These cases concentrated ostensibly on the category 2 case – namely where fresh evidence shows the defendant was wrongfully convicted in the sense that, had the fresh evidence been available at the trial, no reasonable jury could properly have convicted.

The court posed a number of questions:

When will a person be demonstrated to be clearly innocent so as to fall within category 1?
In what circumstances will the evidence be so undermined by a new fact or facts that no conviction could be based upon the evidence, so that the case falls within category 2 in accordance with Adams?
What is the proper approach for the secretary of state to take when considering the Court of Appeal quashing the relevant conviction?
What test should be applied where there has been a re-trial after the conviction has been quashed?
What approach should the secretary of state take towards the consideration of evidence?
How should these cases be viewed in light of the considerations of the European Convention of Human Rights?
The decision in Adams
The starting point was to consider the decision in Adams and how the new decision approached how that test should be varied if at all from the formulation advanced by Lord Phillips in the Supreme Court.

As the court noted, there was within Adams some considerable difference of opinion as to the exact formulation and how that could be applied to particular cases. Lord Phillips had sought to develop Dyson LJ’s formulation to a test for category 2 cases to where the newly discovered fact or evidence had ‘so undermined the evidence against the defendant that no conviction could possibly be based upon it’.

The court in particular noted the difficulties that arose with differing interpretations in the Supreme Court and sought to achieve a test formulated in a practicable way and with reference to the system of Criminal Justice that applies in England and Wales.

As a result, and mindful of achieving a practical outcome, the court has proposed a variation to Lord Phillips’ test to be one in which the question is:

If that is now the correctly formulated test, this raises fundamental questions then as to how the secretary of state shall apply himself in the approach to the Appeal ruling that leads to the conviction being quashed – and indeed his assessment of the evidence which may remain for consideration.

This brings into focus the one case which was allowed by the Court, Ian John Lawless. The facts of this case are well-known, but in short Lawless was convicted of murder as a secondary offender. The only evidence against him came from his own confessions, which following expert evidence at appeal from the defence and Crown were universally concluded to be unreliable.

The secretary of state’s opening salvo in the matter was to advance the argument that because the applicant was not declared to be innocent by the Court, it was still open to the secretary of state to assess the evidence against him and conclude a conviction could still be obtained.

This was viewed by the court as unrealistic and, in any event, the test adopted by the court in assessing the safety of a conviction is not an innocence test but focuses on a wholly different consideration: that of safety.

Further the Court has now taken the opportunity to warn the secretary of state of seeking to step aside from a determination of the Court of Appeal noting that:

Equally bold arguments were advanced by the secretary of state on whether the secretary of state should be bound by the rules of evidence and procedures adopted in the criminal courts and deployed by Judges in the exercise of their primary judgment, particularly in cases which may be finely balanced.

The reader might observe that it would seem anomalous at best for the secretary of state to be allowed to place a wholly different interpretation on the evidence than that produced by the rules of evidence engaged in securing the conviction in the first place.

The court, whilst noting that such rules can sometimes lead to different exercises of discretion, and differing outcomes depending upon other evidence, took the view that:

Further, in the same paragraph the court considered that in its view:

Which view by implication must mean that such a departing would have to be based on a proper consideration of evidence fully set out in accordance with the criminal law of England and Wales.

The consequence is that the secretary of state will no longer be able to get away with technical or convoluted arguments as to why a conviction could still be obtained without providing clear justification for it,

which will then remain subject to scrutiny through judicial review.

The point is again illustrated by the Lawless case, in which despite the only evidence against the applicant having been shown to be unreliable, and the Crown not having pursued a retrial on that basis, the secretary of state had advanced an argument that a conviction could still have been obtained. This ignored the practical reality which is no judge with no evidence left before them would have allowed the matter to go to a jury for determination.

Re-Trials
If some gain has been achieved for applicants in regard to the way in which their applications must now be assessed, potential applicants will be greatly disappointed by the court’s views on the impact of retrials.

The courts concluded that the approach to be taken here is that the calling of a retrial will not be a bar to a successful application for compensation; but only where the retrial does not get past half-time If the retrial proceeds all the way to a determination by a fresh jury there is then a fundamental difficulty in answering the key question to qualify for compensation namely:

The likely answer in such cases is that since the judge allowed the case to go to a jury, a jury might have convicted, and so – the judge’s determination being effectively binding – the test is not made out. This in a nutshell is why the case of Barry George failed, whereas had his case had been withdrawn from the jury at the conclusion of the Prosecution case, which as on one view it might have been, he may have been in a wholly different position in terms of securing compensation.


The jurisdiction of the court
The court has also sought to limit the ability of those refused compensation in the past to seeking to rechallenge those decisions, prescribing that only cases where the decision was made within three months of Adams will be entitled to be subject to reconsideration.

This is perhaps over restrictive and unfortunate for many applicants who have been waiting for years whilst Adams navigated its way through the Courts, and then these subsequent test cases, in the hope that something more hopeful might have come out of the decisions for them.

The court took the opportunity to confirm that the secretary of state’s decisions will only be susceptible to judicial review on the usual grounds rather than, as had been argued for, the court performing an appellate or substitutionary function – i.e., to make its own decision as to eligibility for compensation. The court considered that this was not the role Parliament had intended it to have and it would therefore retain only its normal role of assessing the reasonableness of the decision-making process. The result is that the secretary of state retains a very wide discretion, and one that he has rarely exercised favorably to applicants.

Finally, the Court took the view that such an exercise met the UK’s obligations under Article 6 (1) ECHR, such as they were engaged at all, and distinguished the case of Georgiadis v Greece [1997] 24 EHRR 606 which supported the proposition that the scheme was not operating in accordance with Article 6 (the right to a fair hearing by an independent tribunal.) Of course there is a current outstanding decision of the ECtHR in Allen, which concerns Article 6 (2) and whether the current scheme offends the presumption of innocence.

Where does this judgment leave future claimants?
Current and future claimants will likely find that their prospects of success are not improved in any substantial way by this decision; however they will at least now be able to have some confidence that the secretary of state will be required to respect judicial rulings on the state of the evidence, and to have proper regard to the rules of evidence that applied in the original and any subsequent trial. They should at the very least know that if the Secretary of State does seek to go behind such rulings, he must give reasons for doing so, that may be amenable to judicial review, and that he should only make such a departure in exceptional circumstances.

Those finding themselves in the invidious position of having faced a retrial should know that unless they it was stopped at half-time it is exceptionally unlikely they will ever achieve a compensation payout, however unfair that may seem.

This inevitably will not be the end of the saga and appeals may follow from this case and the European Court is yet to deliver its own judgment in Allen. But in the midst of this, and the more technical arguments which have led to some of the current claims, failing it is easy to forget the fundamental issue which surely is: can it ever be right to deny the wrongfully convicted proper compensation for what the state has put them through?



A long and difficult read because of how it’s been written but the authors don’t appear to have considered innocence fraud ? Why?

What if the ‘wrongfully convicted’ aren’t innocent and have committed innocence fraud?

And why pursue the Ian Lawless case if, ‘Current and future claimants will likely find that their prospects of success are not improved in any substantial way by this decision’

What’s that all about?
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Offline Nicholas

When fantasy turns serious by Mark Newby - July 2009

When Ian Lawless was first arrested in 2001 accused of being a participant in the murder of Alf Wilkins he became an actor in a play which he had written himself. As someone who suffered from a psychological syndrome which required him to make up stories for attention, inevitably exacerbated by an alcohol problem, he stood out like a sore thumb or at least you would have thought so.

As the very witnesses who later became the prosecution witnesses in the case noted, “that was Ian all over”. That being so , the fact that it took 8 ½ years to secure his release is even more disturbing; showing how the criminal justice system remains ill equipped to recognise and deal with those who suffer from serious mental health vulnerabilities .

A system which operates by pigeon holing defendants cannot easily adapt and assess the safety of the trial process as it relates to men such as Ian Lawless. An assessment of the Lawless case will demonstrate how easily someone vulnerable can fall into this trap and become convicted of the most serious of crimes.

Ian Lawless knew Alf Wilkins, they had drank together, and he and others all talked about Alf and knew of the allegations he had faced. In that culture of early 21st Century Britain Alf soon found himself on the wrong side of paedophile frenzy and was subjected to a campaign of hate and harassment by certain individuals, which ultimately he didn’t deserve. Neither did Carol Ann Lee

It was easy for Ian Lawless to become involved in the pub culture that was occurring at that time in the local area and the discussions that were taking place, after all, he knew Alf after all and his need for attention meant he had to be at the forefront of those discussions. Not dissimilar to Bamber

When the terrible events of 21st February 2001 unfolded, matters took a decidedly unpalatable turn for Ian Lawless. Bound to the atmosphere and the events it was impossible for Ian to resist the consequences of his illness and he began to target what was a major event in the locality to suggest to his friends and associates that he knew something about it and had been involved.

It wasn’t long before his wild assertions were being bandied about and there was little wonder that in due course a police enquiry under pressure to solve the murder was able to bring Ian Lawless into the frame based exclusively on those confessions.

One of the problems for the Crown was of course that all of those who gave evidence knew Lawless and about his frailties, they referred to them in their witness statements. One might have thought this would have set alarm bells ringing with the police, instead Lawless was charged and remanded into custody.

Disturbingly and surprisingly, shortly thereafter a “cell mate “ surfaced purporting that Lawless had made admissions to him , he however was someone who was well known to the police and was seeking a discount to his sentence for this ‘information’. It was hardly the recipe for a sound prosecution.

Despite the “confessions”, Ian Lawless was strong and resolute in his denials of the matter during police interviews and described himself as an idiot for making confessions which were not true. Perhaps the most striking aspect of these confessions was that they did not contain any shred of case detail at all, nothing Ian Lawless could say disclosed any accurate knowledge of the offences. The devil here was in the lack of detail he could offer to the police.

Put simply, he was claiming to act as a lookout because he didn’t actually know anything about the offences and it was little wonder a co-accused told the police that there was an idiot bragging that he was involved in the offences. He of course wasn’t an idiot; he was a man who clearly presented serious psychological problems which those concerned were ill equipped to recognise.

If the police investigation was concerning, the failure of his trial team not to seek psychological evidence appears lamentable. The original defence team were content to rest Mr Lawless’s mental evaluation on a passing conversation with a “prison psychiatrist “whom none of the team can now even identify.

There was in reality no formal assessment of Ian Lawless’s mental functioning undertaken despite references from the prosecution witnesses themselves that he had problems and was a fantasist.
Of course he wasn’t someone suffering from a classic mental health illness, it was at his psychological level that his behaviour and reasoning was flawed yet the signs were patently evident from the accounts of the witnesses.

These were very concerning confessions and it was not in the least surprising that the Jury carefully deliberated for many days. The Trial Judge did the best he could in raising concerns over the confessions, but without any clear expert assistance over why a man would make such false confessions, and particularly why he could have done so appearing to be distressed , the jury were left in an invidious position .
They were left to convict Ian Lawless on his own evidence and were not even aware of the comments of the co-accused that Ian Lawless wasn’t even involved due to restrictions at that time on the law of hearsay. So it was that Ian Lawless was convicted of murder and started on the road of serving 8 ½ years for an offence which in the strongest possible likelihood he never committed. How would Mark Newby know this?
The nature of the appeal process meant his 2002 Appeal on technical matters from the original trial failed and he was consigned to hoping a new legal team and the Criminal Cases Review Commission might be able to help him.

The Commission isn’t always universally applauded for the way in which it reviews cases. This case however exemplifies that when the Commission listens and does see real concerns with a case it can make a significant contribution and meet all the aims for which it was set up.

Submissions by Ian Lawless’s new legal team and the Commission’s own review coincided with the same view that potentially the failure to obtain psychological evidence was a fundamental error, and that such evidence could potentially address the central issue in the case to be determined by the jury; namely whether there was a reason why Ian Lawless made those confessions which would support a view that he was not responsible for those offences.

The Commission instructed Gisli Gudjonsson, the eminent forensic psychologist who has made a significant contribution to the plight of many wrongfully convicted vulnerable individuals over many years.
He carefully weighed up Ian Lawless over a number of interviews and as a result of that work reached a conclusion that he was suffering at the material time from an attention syndrome which required him to be the centre of attention by making up stories and accounts.
an attention syndrome ?

Further and significantly he was able to identify two matters; firstly the symptoms of the syndrome would mean that he would be distressed at the time he delivered these accounts – a feature relied upon by the Crown to support the “truthfulness“ of the accounts. Secondly, that once he realised the consequences of his actions it would be perfectly normal for him to then make clear the accounts were untrue – he did not suffer from suggestibility which would leave him vulnerable to undue pressure from the police.

It was clear that this squarely answered therefore the circumstances of the confessions being given, why they seemed plausible and the reason why Ian Lawless distanced himself from the accounts immediately at interview.

As to the Cell Confession, the position was either that this was an entirely false account and the men never had access to each other ( as Ian Lawless would advance ) or the position was as suggested by the Commission that Ian Lawless was suffering from the same syndrome in custody and had access to alcohol at HMP Wolds . Either way this was really secondary to the crucial factor in this case , the psychological evidence.

And so the case was referred. It is disappointing that the pressures on the system meant that whilst this case was sent to the Court of Appeal on 15th October 2008, it wasn’t actually heard until 16th June 2009, especially as the Crown had conceded the case by March of this year.
Nonetheless the 16th June proved to be a remarkable day as the conviction of Ian Lawless was finally quashed and few wouldn’t have been moved to see him re-united with his daughter and family on the doorsteps of the Court of Appeal.

What then does this whole episode demonstrate to us? Ian Lawless joined a select band of notorious wrongful convictions of men who were vulnerable and found themselves on the wrong end of a conviction – cases such as Barry George, Sean Hodgson and Stefan Kiszko to name but a handful.

The treatment and handling of those who are vulnerable remains a considerable problem in our system. Whilst no reliable statistics have been published concerning the numbers of persons going through the prison system with mental health issues, it is fair to expect that for example of those in custody it amounts to not less than 10% of the prison population. And if you actually then go on to consider

Psychological conditions such as the Lawless case it is likely to be considerably higher. This demonstrates the scale of the problem.
There remains a considerable lack of connected support services for those in the community, those in the criminal justice system and those who find themselves currently in custody. As a result, often those who need urgent assistance or diversion when accused of criminal offences never have the benefit of such help and support due to lack of resources and an inconsistent and comprehensive approach to mental disability in the criminal justice system.

Responses to the Government’s Consultation “Improving health, supporting justice” demonstrates how deep the problem runs and a shared view amongst many organisations that responded to the consultation is that there is a substantial lack of resources and joined up services for those in the criminal Justice system either pre or post trial .

This has recently been added to by the Independent Report of Lord Bradley published on 30th April 2009, whilst some of the recommendations of this report can be applauded the ultimate test will be whether the Government can now provide joined up thinking in addressing mental vulnerability and provide sufficient investment to ensure such issues are tackled comprehensively in the future.
Put simply, how many more cases like Ian Lawless do we need to have before real change in mental health support services is achieved?

Mark Newby, Solicitor Advocate Jordans Solicitors LLP – Solicitor for Ian Lawless

https://insidetime.org/when-fantasy-turns-serious/
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Offline Nicholas

There’s an abstract here https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-law-journal/article/compensation-for-miscarriages-of-justice-degrees-of-innocence/DD11BC958F3E4B86D08C521B9450FD4B#.XqrLPdgcCY4.twitter by Hannah Quirk on, ‘Compensation for Miscarriages of Justice: Degrees of Innocence’

“[At issue is whether it should also be paid to those who did - or may have - committed a crime and “got away with it”, and whether such a refusal to pay compensation contravenes the presumption of innocence in Article 6(2) of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).”
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Like so many of these cases they are looking for a technicality.  It's not about guilt or innocence.

Which cases, involving very serious offences, have been overturned by CoA on a technicality?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Which cases, involving very serious offences, have been overturned by CoA on a technicality?

They are numerous Holly

According to Carolyn Hoyle’s research, last year she stated - on cases referred to the CoA via the CCRC
437 peoples lives that have been changed around by the commission, many people who would otherwise be in prison and are out and those people are left to rebuild their lives that is not easy as research by one of my doctoral students has shown but none the less they have the opportunity to do so”
https://ox.cloud.panopto.eu/Panopto/Pages/Embed.aspx?id=69d464e5-e28a-4400-b964-a9dd01201ea0
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Which cases, involving very serious offences, have been overturned by CoA on a technicality?
2000
“Two men accused of a brutal rape and a murder will remain free despite a House of Lords ruling that "compelling" DNA evidence could have been used against them.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1070792.stm

2013
Wendell Baker case here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23101232
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Offline Holly Goodhead

2000
“Two men accused of a brutal rape and a murder will remain free despite a House of Lords ruling that "compelling" DNA evidence could have been used against them.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1070792.stm

2013
Wendell Baker case here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23101232

Thanks.  It seems in the case of WB the law was changed and justice was served?

The other case was similar.  Were the defendents subsequently retried and convicted?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Thanks.  It seems in the case of WB the law was changed and justice was served?

The other case was similar.  Were the defendents subsequently retried and convicted?

You tell us
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

The court posed a number of questions:

When will a person be demonstrated to be clearly innocent so as to fall within category 1?
In what circumstances will the evidence be so undermined by a new fact or facts that no conviction could be based upon the evidence, so that the case falls within category 2 in accordance with Adams?
What is the proper approach for the secretary of state to take when considering the Court of Appeal quashing the relevant conviction?
What test should be applied where there has been a re-trial after the conviction has been quashed?
What approach should the secretary of state take towards the consideration of evidence?
How should these cases be viewed in light of the considerations of the European Convention of Human Rights?
The decision in Adams
The starting point was to consider the decision in Adams and how the new decision approached how that test should be varied if at all from the formulation advanced by Lord Phillips in the Supreme Court.

As the court noted, there was within Adams some considerable difference of opinion as to the exact formulation and how that could be applied to particular cases. Lord Phillips had sought to develop Dyson LJ’s formulation to a test for category 2 cases to where the newly discovered fact or evidence had ‘so undermined the evidence against the defendant that no conviction could possibly be based upon it’.

The court in particular noted the difficulties that arose with differing interpretations in the Supreme Court and sought to achieve a test formulated in a practicable way and with reference to the system of Criminal Justice that applies in England and Wales.

As a result, and mindful of achieving a practical outcome, the court has proposed a variation to Lord Phillips’ test to be one in which the question is:

If that is now the correctly formulated test, this raises fundamental questions then as to how the secretary of state shall apply himself in the approach to the Appeal ruling that leads to the conviction being quashed – and indeed his assessment of the evidence which may remain for consideration.

The Adams case
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jan/14/ukcrime.davidrose


The girlfriend of cleared Andrew Adams yesterday told of her delight at his release.
Speaking after the first night they have spent together in 15 years, Clare Brayson said: "It's just great. I always knew he was innocent but it just feels fantastic that we've finally proved it and he's free."
Friends had forked out for a celebration party and a hotel room for the couple as Mr Adams, 36, left the Court of Appeal with just a small plastic bag of belongings and no cash.
Some were shocked at his appearance. He looked pale and thin and the first sips of champagne went straight to his head . . . it was the first alcohol he had drunk since he was 21.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/15-years-crime-not-commit-1480763

Back to jail by Nigel Green - Sunday Sun - April 2007

“A MAN who served 15 years in jail for a murder he did not commit has returned to the maximum-security prison where he was held.
Andrew Adams was fulfilling his promise to visit another prisoner who is serving a life sentence, but who also claims he is innocent.
Mr Adams, 37, admitted it felt strange finding himself back behind bars at Frankland Prison, near Durham, after spending so many years fighting to win his freedom.
He said: “It brought back a lot of memories when I heard the door bang behind me.
“I wasn’t scared or nervous. I knew I was a free man but I was still relieved when I finally walked out again.”
Mr Adams was cleared by the Court of Appeal in January after judges ruled he was the victim of a miscarriage of justice.
The 37-year-old, from Newcastle, had always denied killing retired teacher Jack Royal, who was shot dead at his home in Gateshead.
While in Frankland Prison Mr Adams became friends with Andrew Davies.
Davies, 36, was convicted of murdering Andrew Lansdown, 26, at a house in Killingworth, North Tyneside, in 2000. Mr Lansdown had been visiting a friend when two masked men burst into the house and shot him.
Davies, from Annitsford, Northumberland, was accused of being the gunman’s accomplice.
He was alleged to have been wearing a plastic mask like the one used in the film Scream. In the first case of its kind, Davies was convicted on the evidence of witnesses who claimed they recognised his voice.
His supporters point to discrepancies in the case, including witnesses who said the man with the mask had white skin. Davies is of mixed race.
Two years ago, he took his case to the Court of Appeal but lost.
Now he hopes that his case will be taken up by the Criminal Cases Review Commission, CCRC, an independent body set up to investigate alleged miscarriages of justice.
Mr Adams, who also lost his first Court of Appeal hearing, was only freed after the CCRC investigated his case. He now lives in Newcastle with his girlfriend Clare Brayson, who was a regular visitor during his time in jail.
Mr Adams said: “It was strange. I’d been in there all those years, but I’ve never been in as a visitor before.
“I had to go through very stringent security checks. I had to have my photo taken, I had to take my shoes off and I had to go through metal detectors and endless glass doors.
“It took a long time and I now know what Clare and all my other friends had to go through every time they came to see me.
“It was stressful, although most of the warders recognised me and were pretty friendly.
Mr Adams, who spent his time in prison studying law and the way the CCRC work, passed on his knowledge to Davies in a one-hour meeting.
Mr Adams added: “He was pleased to see me, and seeing me prove my innocence has given him a lot of hope.”

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/sunday-sun-1304/20070401/281930243532135

Could Andrew Adams have committed innocence fraud?

Andrew Adams loses appeal over compensation - 2013
Previously Mr Adams said: “The amount I am fighting for is £1.3m. I am fighting for this amount because I lost a successful business, my properties, cars, and my mother died when I was in prison. Andrew Adams was around 20 yrs-old at the time of Jack Royals murder & it’s reported elsewhere the ‘successful business’ belonged to his father
“When I got out my father is suffering from Alzheimer’s disease and sometimes he doesn’t even know who I am.”

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/andrew-adams-loses-appeal-over-1399093

What price 14 years in jail for a murder conviction that was overturned? By Sandra Laville for the Guardian
Excerpts:
”When Andrew Adams contemplated his freedom after spending nearly 14 years in jail for murder, there was an optimism about his future evident in his words.
"I might have lost a lot of years and I'm sad about that,"
he said.
"But I'm also determined to correct it. Life goes on and I'm going to make something of it."
Four years after his release, Adams is struggling to fulfil the promise he made to himself. He lives in hostels, or sleeps on friends' floors, and is finding it extremely hard to take up his life once more.
Now 41, he has no work, no means of income and no stable base to call home. He was not prepared for release by the prison authorities because he refused to accept his guilt. He was never given advice about training, education, housing and employment, nor allowed to attend groups designed to help prisoners tackle behavioural problems such as alcoholism or depression.
"He is in a desperate situation,"
said his solicitor, Daniel Machover of Hickman Rose.
"He was thrust into a world he had not been in since 1994. His mother died while he was inside, his father developed Alzheimer's. There is just no support for people like Andrew."
Allowing the appeal in January 2007, Lord Justice Gage, Mr Justice Silber and Mr Justice Treacy said that various "criticisms and failures" relating to the handling of his defence had the cumulative effect of being "sufficient to render the verdict unsafe". But they added: "We are not to be taken as finding that if there had been no such failures the appellant would inevitably have been acquitted."

“This last comment has been seized on by the justice secretary to mean Adams is not a victim of a "miscarriage of justice" within the meaning of section 133 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988, which entitles such victims to state compensation.
Adams has fought this decision all the way to the supreme court, where Britain's most senior judges will determine on Wednesday whether he and up to 200 others should receive compensation.
"Regardless of the outcome of this case," said Machover, "there is a need for the Ministry of Justice to review what it does with these handful of people who need some extra form of support because they have not been prepared for release. Whether they have been fully exonerated or not, they are entitled to be presumed innocent and to be treated as human beings."

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/may/08/14-years-murder-conviction-overturned

”Ben Rose, his solicitor, added: "This is a great day, a sad day and a shameful day.
"It is a great day because, after being in prison for 14 years for a crime he did not commit, Mr Adams's conviction has finally been quashed.
"It is a shameful day because the material which has led the Court of Appeal to quash Mr Adams conviction was there for his original lawyers to examine - something they failed to do.
"Finally, it is a sad day because Mr Royal's murderers are still at large.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/man-wins-murder-conviction-appeal-after-14-years-in-jail-431835.html

“A juror's conduct has never before formed part of a Court of Appeal case
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/man-cleared-of-revenge-murder-after-14-years-in-jail-431906.html


Interesting how the CCRC don’t appear to have considered the ‘juror’s conduct’ in the Barry George case? Or did they?


Excerpts from INNOCENT by DarrenMWinter https://innocent.org.uk/2016/03/28/andrew-adams-and-the-murder-of-jack-royal-part-1/
“On April 10th 1992, DI Kenneth Dixon and Kevin Thompson’s then solicitor Karen Graham discussed a lighter sentence for Thompson in return for him naming his accomplices in the Thomas robbery, a deal that detectives refused to make. By another curious coincidental twist Karen Graham was the older sister of Andrew Adams’ ex, the one who walked out on Adams leading to Kevin Thompson moving in.

But the  following day Thompson asked Graham if she knew that detectives wanted to speak to him about the Royal murder, something Thompson indicated he was happy to do. Accordingly, DI Sharp and DC Mackle turned up at Thompson’s house a couple of days later to discuss it, as planned.

And so, exactly a month after the raid on the Thomas’ house, Andrew Adams was roused from sleep in the early hours by a call. By phone a police officer told Adams that his house was surrounded by armed police and that he should surrender. He did, as seemed prudent, and was arrested for the murder of Jack Royal.

One month later two police officers visited the judge who would be presiding over Kevin Thompson’s trial. DI Ian Sharp of Northumbria Police and DI Ian Scott from Durham Police told him that Thompson was providing valuable assistance in the matter of the Jack Royal murder. Scott later went on to become head of Durham CID where he was a proponent of PDP – Potentially Dangerous People – surveillance, where people not convicted of any crime would be subject to heightened covert surveillance.

The trial went very well for Kevin Thompson. Despite being positively identified at the scene and having the car used during the crime parked outside his house, the prosecution dropped the robbery charge and Thompson instead pleaded guilty to the much lesser charge of handling stolen goods. As a result, he avoided the ten to fifteen stretch that would have been the sentence for armed robbery and walked free that same day with a suspended sentence.

“On 8th April 1993, after being in custody for a year, Andrew Adams met his new barristers for the first time. Adams’ legal team – James Chadwin QC and Patrick Cosgrove – soon learned that John Hands, co-accused with Adams, was planning to explore some of the evidence that Chadwin and Cosgrove had earlier used to acquit Walter Hepple. The barristers told Adams they would have to step down. The possibility of this happening had been identified early on, but Adams’ solicitor John Foley had insisted they take the case. And so, thirteen days before going on trial for murder, Adams had no barrister.

Thompson’s story was that Adams had asked him to drive him, plus John Hands, to Whickham “to chin a bloke who had been cheeky to Cath[erine Thompson]”. Thompson agreed to meet them at the Denton Hotel at 10pm. When they did, he asked them to come back half an hour later, and asked if he could borrow money for petrol (Adams gave him £5). The three of them left in Adams’ car and went to collect Thompson’s blue Ford Escort. Both cars then drove back to a petrol station where Thompson used the £5 to put petrol in his car. From there, they went to Adams’ house to collect a dark-coloured holdall and a petrol can, and then to a car park where the stolen white Montego was waiting.

From there, Thompson says, Adams drove the Montego with Hands in the passenger seat past him and away. They were gone for “ten or twenty minutes”. Upon their return he saw them drive past and into the car park. Moments later they came jogging over to Thompson’s Escort. They had with them the holdall and petrol can.

“Did you chin the bloke?” Thompson asked. Adams took a sawn-off, single-barrelled shotgun from the holdall.

“I blew his f....ing head off.”

“Briggs’ girlfriend Jane McBeth also said that she had seen Adams with the shotgun, when he had apparently and for reasons unknown demonstrated to her that the serial number had been filed off. And the defence also found an ex of Adams’ who testified that Adams once said to her that he and Hands had done “the worst possible thing” – which according to the defence was an admission of the murder of Jack Royal.

“Another friend and workmate of Thompson’s claimed to have seen Adams and another man talking to Thompson in the Denton on the night of the murder, and that Thompson had later shown him a shotgun in a green nylon sports bag, although he admitted that he did not see Adams near the bag when Adams visited Thompson at work that same day.

“In his evidence Adams denied any knowledge or involvement. He did admit to having a shotgun for a few days at his house, but it was Thompson’s. He also admitted shooting the gun but that it had been Thompson’s friend Briggs, an ex-soldier, who had wanted to shoot it.

As for the night of the murder, yes, he and Hands had driven into Newcastle city centre with the intention of getting some food, but had changed their minds. This was at about 10:30pm. He corroborated the constables’ story about being stopped at 10:53pm. He said they got back to Duffy’s just after 11pm. They left between midnight and half past, called at Adams’ house to collect some keys, and was stopped again by police on his way to Newcastle airport (where his family had premises).

“Adams’ father William was called to testify that Adams had 24-hour access to their business premises at Newcastle airport, as Adams himself had claimed. His father said that the premises would have given him absolute privacy in which he could have destroyed the shotgun if he had so chosen. Strangely, he was also asked to testify about the amount of time it would take to destroy a shotgun with a stone mallet, presumably on the grounds that it was difficult to find a professional shotgun destroyer who specialised in using a stone mallet for shotgun destruction purposes at short notice and could act as an expert witness to the fact.

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Offline Nicholas

Would be interested in finding out who from the CCRC reviewed the Barry George & Andrew Adams cases and were they involved in the Simon Hall & Jeremy Bamber case reviews and referrals to the CoA?
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Offline Nicholas

Could Andrew Adams have committed innocence fraud?
Excerpts from part 2 here https://innocent.org.uk/2016/03/29/andrew-adams-and-the-murder-of-jack-royal-part-2/

1997
“Four years into his sentence, Adams launched an appeal against his conviction on five grounds:

That the jury had been prejudiced
Misdirection from the judge regarding the strength of Thompson’s evidence
Failure of the police to disclose details of their interview with Mark Dixon
The manner in which Thompson became an informer was irregular and unrecorded
Adams’ conviction was inconsistent with the acquittal of Hands
 
The appeal was denied.

1998
By this time Adams’ mother, who was seriously ill with cancer, was no longer strong enough to visit him in prison. After weeks of negotiating with prison authorities, they eventually relented and allowed him, under guard, to visit his mum in hospital. When Adams arrived she was in a coma, surrounded by family and friends. Suddenly armed police – ‘about twenty’, Adams thought – converged on him. They claimed that he’d used his mum’s illness as a pretext for an escape attempt, and immediately took him back to prison. She died that night.

“The first point was described as ‘Incompetent defence representation depriving the appellant of a fair trial’. Originally, it was alleged (and appears elsewhere on the Internet in articles written before the successful appeal) that the prosecution withheld various pieces of important evidence from the defence. We now know that this is not true.

“The incompetence argued for by Adams was that they did not present to the jury material which might have changed the outcome. In this sense, the unused evidence may be considered fresh evidence and as argued in R v Hakala:

George Coombs
@GeorgeCoombs17
Yes, I heard only today that things in wakefield and elsewhere are bad-I'd like to see some action-social distancing in e.g wakefield, is a joke

https://mobile.twitter.com/GeorgeCoombs17/status/1253804726187147265

HAKALA V REGINA
https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff7ad60d03e7f57eb11e0

Who really killed Jack Royal? by David Rose - Feb 2006
Excerpts:
“Kevin Thompson, John Hands, Andrew Adams and his girlfriend at the time of Jack Royal's murder, Catherine Thompson [no relation to Kevin] had all been at West Denton High School in Newcastle in the same year, and all of them left together in 1986 when they turned 16. According to Kevin Thompson, it was Catherine who supplied the motive for Adams's murder of Jack Royal. Her brother was David Thompson, Royal's victim. Kevin told the police that her hatred for Royal ran deep. Not only had he killed her brother, he had severed his vocal cords and this prevented him crying for help. Catherine was charged with incitement to murder.

Adams's background was the most prosperous of the group. His parents had parted when he was 11, but stayed on friendly terms. At school and for a while afterwards, he lived with his mother, Joan, in a redbrick semi in Chapel Park. 'The posher part of the West End,' as Adams says. His father, Bill, owned a successful business, Little Wings, which maintained all the private and commercial propeller planes that used Newcastle airport. 'Anyone who flew, or was learning to fly, knew us,' says Adams. Among Bill's friends and customers was Northumbria's chief constable, Sir John Stevens, later commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. By the time of Adams's arrest, he was running Little Wings with his father, and they had plans for expansion. 'We were going to start an air taxi service.'

“This was the start of a long investigation I carried out with a local journalist, John Merry, for The Observer. At first, we were unsure whether he was guilty or not, but we became increasingly convinced of his innocence. In July 1995, we published an article on The Observer's news pages. The prosecution claimed that Adams had destroyed the gun used to kill Royal, but we revealed that six months before his arrest, the police had found another weapon at the home of a criminal named Mark Dixon. A friend of Kevin Thompson, he had been convicted of the Presto supermarket robbery with which Thompson was also originally charged.

A forensic scientist compared Dixon's shotgun with a cartridge recovered from Royal's porch in 1990. The scientist could not be certain, but said it seemed possible a distinctive scratch on the cartridge was caused by one of the gun's components rubbing against it, and when other cartridges were loaded into the weapon, it appeared to mark them in the same way. Two detectives visited Dixon in jail, and told him that they believed that the shotgun found at his house had been used to kill Royal. Dixon denied it, and there is no evidence that he was involved in Royal's murder. None of this, however, was disclosed to Adams's defence at his trial.

“It was a slow, frustrating process. Two CCRC investigators working on his case left, having found other jobs, before a third, Scott Marcroft, was assigned to it in 2001. Adams says: 'The first conversation I had with him, I asked, "Are you going to stick at this, or are you going to f..k off, too?" He said, "No, I'm going to stick with this to the end."' He was as good as his word.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/feb/26/ukcrime.features

NOW I WILL CLEAR KILLER CELLMATE
 Mr Adams said: "Just because I'm free doesn't mean I'm going to forget others - and Andrew isn't the only one.
"I could give a list of people serving lengthy sentences with little evidence against them."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/now-i-will-clear-killer-cellmate-447923
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Offline Nicholas

The Adams case
Could Andrew Adams have committed innocence fraud?

Andrew Adams loses appeal over compensation - 2013
Previously Mr Adams said: “The amount I am fighting for is £1.3m. I am fighting for this amount because I lost a successful business, my properties, cars, and my mother died when I was in prison.
Andrew Adams was around 20 yrs-old at the time of Jack Royals murder & it’s reported elsewhere the ‘successful business’ belonged to his father
“When I got out my father is suffering from Alzheimer’s disease and sometimes he doesn’t even know who I am.”

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/andrew-adams-loses-appeal-over-1399093

What price 14 years in jail for a murder conviction that was overturned? By Sandra Laville for the Guardian
Excerpts:
”When Andrew Adams contemplated his freedom after spending nearly 14 years in jail for murder, there was an optimism about his future evident in his words.
"I might have lost a lot of years and I'm sad about that,"
he said.
"But I'm also determined to correct it. Life goes on and I'm going to make something of it."
Four years after his release, Adams is struggling to fulfil the promise he made to himself. He lives in hostels, or sleeps on friends' floors, and is finding it extremely hard to take up his life once more.
Now 41, he has no work, no means of income and no stable base to call home. He was not prepared for release by the prison authorities because he refused to accept his guilt. He was never given advice about training, education, housing and employment, nor allowed to attend groups designed to help prisoners tackle behavioural problems such as alcoholism or depression.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/may/08/14-years-murder-conviction-overturned

What happened to Bill Andrews business ‘Little Wings’ and why did Andrew Adams refer to his fathers ‘successful business’ as his own? Even his girlfriend stated in 2013, ‘He was an aircraft engineer and worked for his father, Bill, who had a business servicing planes at Newcastle Airport’

Victim of injustice Andrew Adams back in jail for theft - 2012
“FREED after 14 years in prison for a murder he maintains he didn't commit, Andrew Adams is back behind bars.
The 42-year-old spent 15 years in jail for the 1990 murder of retired teacher Jack Royal, before his conviction was quashed in 2007.
But since his release Adams, of Matfen Place, Fenham, has struggled to adapt to life on the outside, spiraling into heroin addiction and a life of petty crime.
And last month he was locked up again after magistrates activated a suspended sentence they had issued last year, when he admitted stealing a pair of trousers.
Adams appeared at Newcastle Crown Court last week hoping to get the 12-week prison sentence reduced.
But despite his barrister’s argument that all his problems had been caused by his inability to adapt to life out of prison, Judge Roger Thorn threw out his appeal.
He said: “His wrongful conviction for 15 years is not sufficient mitigation. It can no longer be relied upon for this 42-year-old.”
Bridie Smurthwaite, prosecuting, told the court how magistrates sentenced Adams to 12 weeks in prison suspended for 12 months in August, after he admitted a series of shoplifting offences and taking a hire van.
Adams stole electrical goods from B&Q, Wickes and Asda and failed to return the Renault vehicle he had loaned from a Newcastle company.
The suspended sentence was activated on January 19 when Adams was back in court for stealing some trousers.
The former aircraft engineer was jailed after he was found guilty at Newcastle Crown Court of shooting Mr Royal in Whickham, Gateshead, in what was to become one of Tyneside’s most notorious crimes.
But he had his conviction quashed by the Court of Appeal after it emerged that evidence had been missed by his original defence team, which meant he did not get a fair trial.
Caroline Goodwin, who was representing Adams at his appeal said he was struggling to cope after losing the best years of his life in prison. She said he was now suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
“He was 22 years old when he was convicted of the murder,” she said. “He lost effectively the best years of his life of his life.
“On his release having no support and no family meant that he descended into drug use.
“He found himself after 15 years being left to his own devices having no support in the community.
“It is his drug addiction that is pulling him down.”
Adams had been given a community order for other shoplifting offences in March last year.
In 2009, he was given a 12-month conditional discharge after cashing two cheques from a stolen bank book he found, and another for stealing £350-worth of meat from Marks and Spencer.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/victim-injustice-andrew-adams-back-1360333

Did Andrew Adams come out of prison addicted to heroin and was this what caused his weight loss ?

“The girlfriend of cleared Andrew Adams yesterday told of her delight at his release.
Speaking after the first night they have spent together in 15 years, Clare Brayson said: "It's just great. I always knew he was innocent but it just feels fantastic that we've finally proved it and he's free."
Friends had forked out for a celebration party and a hotel room for the couple as Mr Adams, 36, left the Court of Appeal with just a small plastic bag of belongings and no cash.
Some were shocked at his appearance. He looked pale and thin and the first sips of champagne went straight to his head . . . it was the first alcohol he had drunk since he was 21.
Clare said: "Andrew's always been slim but he's lost a lot of weight in the last few weeks with the stress of waiting for the judgment."
Now the couple have to prepare for a new life together and Clare admitted it might be a bit of a struggle. She said: "It's going to be really hard getting back to normal life."
Clare, 35, met Mr Adams when she was just 19, while drinking with friends.
He was an aircraft engineer and worked for his father, Bill, who had a business servicing planes at Newcastle Airport. She was a nursery nurse.
But, a few months later, in 1992, their world was shattered when armed police raided their home in Kingston Park, Newcastle, and he was arrested for the murder of retired teacher Jack Royal.
Mr Royal, 58, had been shot dead on the doorstep of his home in Sunniside, near Gateshead, in 1990.
In 1987, Mr Royal had stabbed local scrap dealer David Thompson to death in a scuffle outside a Chinese restaurant. He claimed he was acting in self-defence and was cleared.
His murder three years later was believed to be carried out in revenge for Mr Thompson's death.
Mr Adams had been going out with Mr Thompson's sister, Catherine, and he had supposedly carried out the murder as a macabre "birthday present". He was convicted after a trial at Newcastle Crown Court. As he was led to the cells he shouted: "I'm innocent and the police know it."
During his first few years in prison, Andrew admits he was an angry man.
He refused to obey rules and, as a result, was repeatedly moved from jail to jail . . . a practice known as "ghosting".
Clare was forced to travel to prisons all over the country to see him.
Mr Adams said: "I've been in lots of prisons. Durham, Frankland, Full Sutton, Brixton, Wakefield, Belmarsh, Whitemoor, Long Lartin . . . often back and forward between them."
But, as the years passed, Andrew settled down and, in recent years, while at Frankland Prison, in Durham, he was described as a "model" prisoner.
During the day, he trained as a plumber, in the hope of finding work when released.
In the evenings, he studied law . . . reading through books that would normally only be read by barristers.
He was allowed to keep his case files in his cell. The pile reached almost from floor to ceiling.
Ironically, if Andrew had admitted to the murder, he could have been released from prison last year. His minimum sentence - or tariff - was 14 years.
Mr Adams was supported by his mother Joan. But, eight years ago, she died of cancer.
She was only 58 and Andrew believes her death was caused by the stress she had suffered due to his imprisonment.
As well as support from family and friends, Andrew owes his freedom to the Criminal Cases Review Commission which - after four years of investigations - found fresh evidence and referred the case back to the Court of Appeal.
He was actually told the good news on Thursday but he had to stay in prison until his conviction was formally quashed the following day.
He said: "It was the longest night of my life. I couldn't sleep at all knowing that I would be out soon."
Because he spent so long in jail, Mr Adams could receive a bumper compensation package worth up to #500,000. But Mr Adams said: "No money in the world will ever pay for the hell I've been through.
"Money doesn't replace people. I only wish my mother was alive so she could see me finally clear my name."
He added: "People should never forget that Mr Royal's family are also victims of this mess.
"The real killer's still out there."

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/15-years-crime-not-commit-1480763

Was/is Andrew Adams the ‘real killer’ of Jack Royal?

”Clare Brayson, is not the only woman who has waited patiently for Andrew's day of freedom.
Pensioner Anne Laws has worked tirelessly to prove his innocence.
The 64-year-old has even been dubbed "Miss Marple" by Mr Adams' solicitor, Ben Rose, after unearthing evidence that was central to his appeal.
Anne was good friends with his mother, Joan, and, after she died, she stepped in to help a young man she believed had been wrongly jailed for murder.
Over the years, she has paid more than 100 visits to maximum-security prisons, having to submit to strict security checks, including being photographed, fingerprinted, frisked and checked for drugs by sniffer dogs.
She said: "I was scared when I first started doing this.
"It was all new to me and I was mixing with the wives and girlfriends of some very dangerous men.
"But now I take it all in my stride and can cope much better."
On one visit, Anne even found herself in a waiting room with Primrose Shipman, the wife of Harold Shipman . . . the doctor who murdered hundreds of patients before hanging himself in prison.
Along with her 24-year-old daughter, Zoe, Anne spent hundreds of hours helping to track down witnesses and visiting places mentioned in the case.
Anne, who lives in Fenham, Newcastle, is married with two sons and a daughter and is a retired childminder. Mrs Laws met Joan Adams when their sons became friends at the age of 12.
Anne said: "This has all become a major part of my life, but I feel I owe it to Andrew's mother to see it through.
"We had to track down a lot of witnesses and go and see them. Joan had to go into some fairly rough pubs and other places, while I knocked on a lot of doors. Andrew's solicitor calls me Miss Marple."
Anne said: "It's taken a very long time . . . many years.
"The Criminal Cases Review Commission investigation alone took four years.
"I only wish Joan was still alive to see what's happening now."
Mr Adams said: "As well as providing tremendous moral support, Anne has also been a tremendous help practically.
"While I was in prison, there's obviously a limit to what I can do.
"I wouldn't be where I am now if it wasn't for her."
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Like so many of these cases they are looking for a technicality.  It's not about guilt or innocence.


If I was wrongly convicted of a crime I certainly wouldn’t be looking for a technicality to try and get free — I’d be determined to prove my innocence.

Imagine getting out on an insignificant technicality and having everyone know your conviction hadn’t been quashed? That isn’t justice at all.

Thankfully, I know for a fact that Jeremy Bamber will never get freed on a technicality, and neither will his conviction against him ever be quashed. The evidence against him is overwhelming. But the mere fact he’s prepared to stoop to trying to wriggle out on a technicality simply proves he knows he has absolutely nothing to even suggest he could be innocent; which is further proof of his guilt.
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

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If I was wrongly convicted of a crime I certainly wouldn’t be looking for a technicality to try and get free — I’d be determined to prove my innocence.

Imagine getting out on an insignificant technicality and having everyone know your conviction hadn’t been quashed? That isn’t justice at all.

Thankfully, I know for a fact that Jeremy Bamber will never get freed on a technicality, and neither will his conviction against him ever be quashed. The evidence against him is overwhelming. But the mere fact he’s prepared to stoop to trying to wriggle out on a technicality simply proves he knows he has absolutely nothing to even suggest he could be innocent; which is further proof of his guilt.

I agree: if it were me, and I was innocent, I would want it proved, and not be freed on a technicality.

I don't believe JB will ever be freed either, but I don't KNOW, and neither do you, or anybody else!