Sheila Caffell's illness

[Nicholas]

And don’t suppose Bamber has ever showed any interested in this

35 plus years and Bamber appears to have showed not a shred of interest in why SC was over medicated 

[Caroline]

Dr Ferguson also stated that it would take around six weeks for the drug to wear off after the last injection because it was slow release so the notion that she didn't have enough in her system is ludicrous - she still had a moderate dose when she died.

[APRIL]

Shouldn’t it have been Dr Ferguson’s responsibility to monitor SC?

A routine follow up appointment had been made for her at St Mary's, which was closer than Northampton, which she didn't attend because it was after her death.

[G-Unit]

Dr Ferguson also stated that it would take around six weeks for the drug to wear off after the last injection because it was slow release so the notion that she didn't have enough in her system is ludicrous - she still had a moderate dose when she died.

Sheila had also been prescribed Triludan, an antihistamine and Noctec, a sleeping pill. Both could have added sedative effects, so her symptoms pre-July may not have been caused solely by the Haldol. Cannabis is also a sedative, often used as a sleep aid.

Colin had invited her to his party on the Friday before she went to Essex because she was displaying 'those familiar long periods of becoming distant and vague again'. [Rainbows End] So that symptom wasn't new, he'd seen it before. Was that before previous breakdowns? He makes no mention of her having physical problems as she helped him to prepare food and clean his flat for the party.

[Caroline]

Sheila had also been prescribed Triludan, an antihistamine and Noctec, a sleeping pill. Both could have added sedative effects, so her symptoms pre-July may not have been caused solely by the Haldol. Cannabis is also a sedative, often used as a sleep aid.

Colin had invited her to his party on the Friday before she went to Essex because she was displaying 'those familiar long periods of becoming distant and vague again'. [Rainbows End] So that symptom wasn't new, he'd seen it before. Was that before previous breakdowns? He makes no mention of her having physical problems as she helped him to prepare food and clean his flat for the party.

Why would it be before a breakdown? You're desperate to try and make that link. Why wouldn't he have seen he distant and vague before? He saw her often but I will repeat again that Sheila was medicated, she was given too much haloperidol initially but even after her meds were reduced, she complained about being tired all of the time and after death. she was found to have a moderate dose left in her system.

[G-Unit]

Dr Ferguson seemed confused about Sheila's prescriptions and unaware of what her GP practice was actually doing.

In his statement dated 9/8/85 he said Sheila was being injected fortnightly with 200mg of Haldol, and that he believed that "she was anxious to reduce the prescription. In other words, to have the same injection but on a monthly basis."

In his 18/9/85 w/s he says Dr Angeloglou wrote to him on 15/7/85 asking him to reduce Sheila's dose from 200mg per month to 100mg per month. He says nothing was done about this.

At this stage he seems unaware that her injection had been reduced on 11/7/85.

Although Dr Ferguson mentions Sheila being referred to an NHS Hospital her GP, who would have made the referral, doesn't.

[Caroline]

Dr Ferguson seemed confused about Sheila's prescriptions and unaware of what her GP practice was actually doing.

In his statement dated 9/8/85 he said Sheila was being injected fortnightly with 200mg of Haldol, and that he believed that "she was anxious to reduce the prescription. In other words, to have the same injection but on a monthly basis."

In his 18/9/85 w/s he says Dr Angeloglou wrote to him on 15/7/85 asking him to reduce Sheila's dose from 200mg per month to 100mg per month. He says nothing was done about this.

At this stage he seems unaware that her injection had been reduced on 11/7/85.

Although Dr Ferguson mentions Sheila being referred to an NHS Hospital her GP, who would have made the referral, doesn't.

The 400mg is what is known as a 'loading dose' - it would have to be reduced and it was to 200mg but Sheila complained that it was still too high.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Reading the statements I didn't conclude that Ferguson agreed to reduce the dosage.

He did.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

He said she was capable of responding with physical aggression directed to property, to herself or to others. [w/s 30/9/86 page 3]

The last time Dr Ferguson saw Sheila Caffell was the day she was discharged from St Andrews; 29th March 1985. Up until her death in August she had no mental health support at all; just her injections of Haldol from her GP.

Dr Ferguson wasn't happy discharging her, he thought it was too soon and he felt she needed follow up visits from a Community Psychiatric Nurse.

Have you a link to that?

I’ve never seen DR Ferguson ever say Sheila was a threat to herself or others; had he thought that he’d have had her Sectioned.

Where did he say that? Provide the link please

[G-Unit]

Have you a link to that?

I’ve never seen DR Ferguson ever say Sheila was a threat to herself or others; had he thought that he’d have had her Sectioned.

Where did he say that? Provide the link please

I have provided a cite. Do you not have access to the statements?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I think Sheila Caffell and her parents should have taken Dr Ferguson's advice and made use of the services the NHS could offer. She needed monitoring and supporting by mental health professionals and she didn't get it.

Dr Ferguson thought she left his care before she was ready but despite that she wasn't seen by anyone qualified to assess her mental state after 29th March. The only thing keeping a psychotic episode at bay was the Haldol, and her GP practice halved her dose in July without Dr Ferguson's agreement.

It's impossible to know the effect of that on her, but when she was in hospital reducing her medication led to her psychosis returning.

That’s all false!

You haven’t even named the medication correctly.

Sheila didn’t have her medication reduced IN hospital, nor did she worsen IN hospital

She IMPROVED. Improved to the degree that DR Ferguson felt satisfied she could be discharged.

He also felt satisfied that the Haloperidol would keep her condition under control: how else do people cope when they go home?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Did this come out during Bamber’s trial?

Yes, Nicholas

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Shouldn’t it have been Dr Ferguson’s responsibility to monitor SC?

They liaise, Nicholas

Sheila’s GP was obviously in contact with Dr Ferguson

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Sheila had also been prescribed Triludan, an antihistamine and Noctec, a sleeping pill. Both could have added sedative effects, so her symptoms pre-July may not have been caused solely by the Haldol. Cannabis is also a sedative, often used as a sleep aid.

Colin had invited her to his party on the Friday before she went to Essex because she was displaying 'those familiar long periods of becoming distant and vague again'. [Rainbows End] So that symptom wasn't new, he'd seen it before. Was that before previous breakdowns? He makes no mention of her having physical problems as she helped him to prepare food and clean his flat for the party.

This was all gone over just a week or so ago!

Sheila was NOT taking antihistamine as the hay fever season ended in spring.

Nor was she taking taking sleeping pills in July or August; nor prescribed them. The Haloperidol made her sleepy enough without any extra medication.

She hadn’t smoked Cannabis for at least five days before Jeremy killed her.

The post mortem toxicology reports PROVED what was in her system.

She had NO illegal drugs,  except traces of Cannabis taken five days previously.

NO alcohol.

NO antihistamines.

NO herbal treatments, nothing.


Like I said, this was discussed just a week or so ago — have you forgotten?


She did spend all day Saturday at Colin’s with the boys and helped him prepare things for the party...Colin didn’t go into detail on how many sausage rolls she put on a plate or stuff like that, but he did say she was unable to make coffee as she spilled it due to her unsteady shaking hands. I suppose she did as much as she could, albeit slowly. That was very sweet of her IMO.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Dr Ferguson seemed confused about Sheila's prescriptions and unaware of what her GP practice was actually doing.

In his statement dated 9/8/85 he said Sheila was being injected fortnightly with 200mg of Haldol, and that he believed that "she was anxious to reduce the prescription. In other words, to have the same injection but on a monthly basis."

In his 18/9/85 w/s he says Dr Angeloglou wrote to him on 15/7/85 asking him to reduce Sheila's dose from 200mg per month to 100mg per month. He says nothing was done about this.

At this stage he seems unaware that her injection had been reduced on 11/7/85.

Although Dr Ferguson mentions Sheila being referred to an NHS Hospital her GP, who would have made the referral, doesn't.

The drug is a slow release medication taken injected monthly.

You don’t halve it by having it fortnightly 😌

All this was gone into 35 years ago...why are you going on about when you know nothing about medicine and the case ended with all doctors, witnesses and the judge being satisfied?