Wandering off topic.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I think that this is partially incorrect.  IQ Tests do measure intelligence.  It's the lack of Knowledge that counts.  And knowledge has to be learned.  Woe betide you if you never got the chance.

That’s true.

Knowledge and intelligence are two separate things.

However, some people are less capable of assimilating knowledge and understanding it...

You only have to look at some of the people on the Internet who can’t see the blatantly obvious: such as the obvious fact Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath and only he could have murdered his family.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

In my opinion intelligent people will acknowledge that unqualified people can't diagnose a mental illness. All they can do is offer an opinion. Unqualified opinions only convince those who agree with them.

How sage, Gunit

“Unqualified opinions only convince those who agree with them”

 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Or personality disorders.

But sometimes you get cases where experts disagree.

In my unqualified opinion, I’d say there’s far more people with personality disorders than there are those who’ve been diagnosed.

I also believe, in my unqualified opinion, that there’s scores of naive gullible people who don’t realise they’ve been hoodwinked....😌

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I've always been interested in and good at formal learning and have the qualifications to prove it. My husband had no interest in school, but he was extremely intelligent in my opinion.

What convinces you that your husband is intelligent despite him having no interest in school and learning?

[Daisy]

Daisy, the pass rate is 140, or may even be higher (148, possibly?)

You cannot become a member with an IQ of 136: I know that for a fact.

Nor can you take a test and send it off to Mensa — you have to be tested by Mensa themselves under strict controlled conditions.

Maybe you’ve forgotten your daughter’s IQ and the fact she must have been tested by Mensa?

You are wrong.

https://www.mensa.org.uk/prior-evidence-application

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So those with degrees in Anthropology, Archaeology, Economics, Geography, Politics, History, Law, Linguistics, Politics, Psychology and Sociology aren't academic?

I never said all subjects aren’t academic: I said Social Sciences isn’t. Everyone knows that.

Subjects such as Physics, Maths, Chemistry, Biology etc are what I call academic in as much as it takes “reasoning” to both understand and work out solutions. So whilst subjects such as Anthropology, Politics, History etc are academic, they’re not the sciences. Studying History, for example, requires just memory...it doesn’t require the ability needed by certain scientists who have to find solutions to incredibly complex tasks.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You are wrong.

https://www.mensa.org.uk/prior-evidence-application

No, I’m not.

Mensa says:


“Acceptable evidence includes a full educational psychologist's report, documentary evidence of previous IQ testing, or by sitting an approved supervised IQ test, offered by various organisations. Applicants are asked to submit a copy of their evidence along with a small ratification fee. Once eligibility of the evidence has been confirmed, Mensa will be able to issue an invitation to join.”


So whilst I wasn’t totally correct in that one has to take the test at a Mensa run room at a university in view of the examiner, and in which each part is timed to the second — what Mensa are saying is those exact same conditions apply if you can’t take the test at a centre. They say they will accept tests providing they’re carried out in exactly the same supervised way by an approved examiner, or a full educational psychologists report.

So I’m not wrong, per se. But you are, Daisy. The IQ pass rate is 148 — I thought it was 140 — so wherever your daughter took hers she wouldn’t have been invited to join as her IQ was 138, which simply isn’t high enough to gain entry.

[G-Unit]

I never said all subjects aren’t academic: I said Social Sciences isn’t. Everyone knows that.

Subjects such as Physics, Maths, Chemistry, Biology etc are what I call academic in as much as it takes “reasoning” to both understand and work out solutions. So whilst subjects such as Anthropology, Politics, History etc are academic, they’re not the sciences. Studying History, for example, requires just memory...it doesn’t require the ability needed by certain scientists who have to find solutions to incredibly complex tasks.

You said;

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"A degree simply shows you’re capable of studying and processing information, but if you take a degree in, say, social sciences, that almost proves you’re NOT academic as almost no-one can fail them."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11479.msg590297#msg590297

You seem to have strange ideas of what's involved in studying at degree level, and the usefulness of degrees in Social Science subjects. When it comes to employment those with Social Science degrees do better, it seems.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24707507

The subjects I listed are all classed as Social Sciences.
https://www.postgrad.com/subjects/social_sciences/overview/

[Daisy]

No, I’m not.

Mensa says:


“Acceptable evidence includes a full educational psychologist's report, documentary evidence of previous IQ testing, or by sitting an approved supervised IQ test, offered by various organisations. Applicants are asked to submit a copy of their evidence along with a small ratification fee. Once eligibility of the evidence has been confirmed, Mensa will be able to issue an invitation to join.”


So whilst I wasn’t totally correct in that one has to take the test at a Mensa run room at a university in view of the examiner, and in which each part is timed to the second — what Mensa are saying is those exact same conditions apply if you can’t take the test at a centre. They say they will accept tests providing they’re carried out in exactly the same supervised way by an approved examiner, or a full educational psychologists report.

So I’m not wrong, per se. But you are, Daisy. The IQ pass rate is 148 — I thought it was 140 — so wherever your daughter took hers she wouldn’t have been invited to join as her IQ was 138, which simply isn’t high enough to gain entry.

You obviously haven’t looked into this properly. The minimum score for entry into Mensa is different for various ways of testing. The minimum score on the Stanford-Binet is 132.  My daughter’s test was carried out under the required controlled conditions by an educational psychologist. I am not sure which test she took but she was invited to join Mensa and was a member for a while but as there was nothing going on in her area she had no one to link up with.

On another note some valued members have left this forum because of your arrogance.  Such a shame that you being relatively new here have upset some really lovely people. I am not arguing with you any longer as you are just not worth it.

[Holly Goodhead]

What use of a high iq if you don't have the ei to go with it?

[APRIL]

What use of a high iq if you don't have the ei to go with it?

Without question.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You said;

Snip/
"A degree simply shows you’re capable of studying and processing information, but if you take a degree in, say, social sciences, that almost proves you’re NOT academic as almost no-one can fail them."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11479.msg590297#msg590297

You seem to have strange ideas of what's involved in studying at degree level, and the usefulness of degrees in Social Science subjects. When it comes to employment those with Social Science degrees do better, it seems.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24707507

The subjects I listed are all classed as Social Sciences.
https://www.postgrad.com/subjects/social_sciences/overview/

They may find it easer to find a job, but they won’t earn as much as their peers who trained for more skilful degrees. Social sciences don’t even have a distinctive skill; it’s an easy, non-rigorous way to get a degree; they don’t need to go through as many classes and it’s an easy route for students who are viewed as underachievers. That may be unfair, but it’s how it is.

A big part of getting a degree to improve your career prospects is to show how dedicated you are to working hard at a subject that requires skill and intelligence: almost anyone can get a degree in social sciences — because it’s easy. Simple as that.

The world is becoming more technical by the minute, and we have an exponentially growing population who require complex solutions which only skilled technically qualified people can provide: you can’t compare an engineer, scientist, computer engineer or a mathematician with someone who’s studied humanities, anthropology or history. What could an anthropologist, historian or social worker advise on technicalities of computer systems; world pollution; climate control; the impact of global warming; research of viruses; developing treatments/cures for cancer or other life-threatening diseases?

Incidentally, academics never achieve the high salaries that most other professions do, and whilst money isn’t the only reason why one chooses a career, it’s certainly a motivating factor in working hard in your field. Tell me one person who doesn’t enjoy what money brings?

We’ll forget Jeremy Bamber in this, despite him musing to the police officer while his family lay dead inside the house, and saying to the officer when he mentioned the subject “money” that he wasn’t interested in money at all. He said: “Just a nice little two-bed house with a small runaround car and enough money in my pocket for a few beers at the weekends is all I need and desire”

I s’pose you believe that, too 🤣

[mrswah]

I never said all subjects aren’t academic: I said Social Sciences isn’t. Everyone knows that.

Subjects such as Physics, Maths, Chemistry, Biology etc are what I call academic in as much as it takes “reasoning” to both understand and work out solutions. So whilst subjects such as Anthropology, Politics, History etc are academic, they’re not the sciences. Studying History, for example, requires just memory...it doesn’t require the ability needed by certain scientists who have to find solutions to incredibly complex tasks.

Social sciences are not academic??  What are they then, and what do you understand by "social science"?

[mrswah]

Social sciences are not academic??  What are they then, and what do you understand by "social science"?

Studying history requires far more than just memory !

[Caroline]

I never said all subjects aren’t academic: I said Social Sciences isn’t. Everyone knows that.

Subjects such as Physics, Maths, Chemistry, Biology etc are what I call academic in as much as it takes “reasoning” to both understand and work out solutions. So whilst subjects such as Anthropology, Politics, History etc are academic, they’re not the sciences. Studying History, for example, requires just memory...it doesn’t require the ability needed by certain scientists who have to find solutions to incredibly complex tasks.

Sorry Spy, I can't agree with this. I did a BA in psychology and to pass, not only do you have to understand complicated and abstract concepts, you need a good sound knowledge of how statistic work and how to apply various different statistical criteria to validate studies. The social sciences are used to find reasons why certain things happen at a given time and be able to validate their findings.