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Offline Caroline

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #120 on: May 22, 2020, 08:10:58 PM »
Where's this going, Rob?

To a song by The Talking Heads.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #121 on: May 22, 2020, 08:12:23 PM »
To a song by The Talking Heads.
Quite.  And we all know who the Psycho Killer is in this case too.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #122 on: May 22, 2020, 08:43:55 PM »
Sorry - and the point of this would be what?
Maybe someone wanted to wipe out the whole family rather than just the 5 that had already died.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #123 on: May 22, 2020, 08:52:38 PM »

In which case -whatever time the alleged call happened- surely all he had to do was dial 999. He had no need to put himself in danger.
Yes if he was innocent, but what happens if there had been a plan and it hadn't gone as planned?   I'm perplexed by these murders, and I'm struggling.   
Initially the police thought it was a murder-suicide, then later Jeremy was charged, but he continues to deny it.  So is there another possibility?   To his girlfriend, she claims he said a hitman was hired but the fee seemed unbelievably low, just 2 thousand pounds.
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Offline Caroline

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #124 on: May 22, 2020, 09:27:29 PM »
Yes if he was innocent, but what happens if there had been a plan and it hadn't gone as planned?   I'm perplexed by these murders, and I'm struggling.   
Initially the police thought it was a murder-suicide, then later Jeremy was charged, but he continues to deny it.  So is there another possibility?   To his girlfriend, she claims he said a hitman was hired but the fee seemed unbelievably low, just 2 thousand pounds.

Jeremy denies it so it must be a third party? He dienes it because he doesn't want to spend the rest of his natural in prison.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2020, 09:37:07 PM »
Jeremy denies it so it must be a third party? He dienes it because he doesn't want to spend the rest of his natural in prison.
I have never said there must be a third party.  All I'm doing is looking for is the possibility of a third party.

Like Jeremy was to inherit quite a sum of property from the tragic events, but had Jeremy also been killed who would have gained the fortune then?  Is there always going to be a beneficiary at the end of the tragedy?
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Offline APRIL

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #126 on: May 22, 2020, 09:48:04 PM »
Yes if he was innocent, but what happens if there had been a plan and it hadn't gone as planned?   I'm perplexed by these murders, and I'm struggling.   
Initially the police thought it was a murder-suicide, then later Jeremy was charged, but he continues to deny it.  So is there another possibility?   To his girlfriend, she claims he said a hitman was hired but the fee seemed unbelievably low, just 2 thousand pounds.


Aww! Are you really struggling *%87 Perhaps you should look at the whole story -the one which are behind the words written which are, after all, only facts.

From the very beginning of the events which we're told transpired, there is only Jeremy's word for any of it. It all comes down to "Jeremy claimed............" There was, we're told, a rather heated family discussion about the future care of Sheila's sons, resulting in suggestions of them being cared for in ways other than the present arrangements. We're told there was the suggestion of Sheila taking "a rest" in a Christian convalescent home on the South coast. We're told that Jeremy heard/saw rabbits, loaded/cocked(?) the rifle and went out intent on bunny bashing. To no avail, they'd scarpered. We're told he left the gun out. We're told that at some point he ate a sandwich standing up. We're told that when he left Sheila was sitting quietly. We know from Auntie Pam, that Sheila goes to bed at around 10.30. Jeremy goes home. We have it from Julie that he rang at around 10pm -he timed the call- and then, having slept like a log, is allegedly woken by his "panicked" father's telephone call -he eventually told police "he sounded terrified". Does he react immediately? No. He idles his way through the phone book -ignoring the advert bearing the legend that in an emergency call 999- instead, calling a couple of local police stations which aren't manned 24 hours. He then, before phoning a manned police station, phones Julie again to tell her "something is wrong at the farm" It takes him approximately 20 minutes.

Once at the farm, he gives police chapter and verse of Sheila's mental state, embellishing and embroidering as he goes. She's only just come out of a psych hospital and is soon going back, She's gun competent. Has fired every gun in the house. She's attempted suicide. She's been diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic/depressive schizophrenic and had been treated with ECT. It's likely that not one of the operatives at that scene had ever previously dealt with a possible siege situation. They might have gone in earlier but for Jeremy's covert suggestions that they might possibly be facing a mad woman with a loaded gun who wouldn't think twice about using it. They weren't to know that everyone in that farmhouse was already dead.

So you see, for all the unfolding events which transpired we only have Jeremy's word. It was he who set the approximate timescale of events. Can he be believed? By some, certainly. Not by the jury.

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #127 on: May 22, 2020, 10:20:17 PM »
Do you think Bamber drugged and assaulted Sarah AA ?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11533.0



I don't think ANYTHING of a sort until I see evidence to prove such a serious accusation.

If there were anything in this, the police would have to investigated fully.

Let's see the evidence first before jumping to any conclusions.

Offline Caroline

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #128 on: May 22, 2020, 10:22:09 PM »
I have never said there must be a third party.  All I'm doing is looking for is the possibility of a third party.

Like Jeremy was to inherit quite a sum of property from the tragic events, but had Jeremy also been killed who would have gained the fortune then?  Is there always going to be a beneficiary at the end of the tragedy?

He wasn't killed.

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #129 on: May 22, 2020, 10:22:40 PM »
He most definitely lied to Julie about not having had ‘intercourse’ with her

Did he ever tell you about Sarah when you were in a relationship with him ?

When did this occur do you know ?


Ive already told you that we did not discuss people outside of his immediate family or those involved in giving evidence.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #130 on: May 22, 2020, 10:24:04 PM »
He wasn't killed.
The same result has been achieved by life imprisonment.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #131 on: May 22, 2020, 10:24:49 PM »

Aww! Are you really struggling *%87 Perhaps you should look at the whole story -the one which are behind the words written which are, after all, only facts.

From the very beginning of the events which we're told transpired, there is only Jeremy's word for any of it. It all comes down to "Jeremy claimed............" There was, we're told, a rather heated family discussion about the future care of Sheila's sons, resulting in suggestions of them being cared for in ways other than the present arrangements. We're told there was the suggestion of Sheila taking "a rest" in a Christian convalescent home on the South coast. We're told that Jeremy heard/saw rabbits, loaded/cocked(?) the rifle and went out intent on bunny bashing. To no avail, they'd scarpered. We're told he left the gun out. We're told that at some point he ate a sandwich standing up. We're told that when he left Sheila was sitting quietly. We know from Auntie Pam, that Sheila goes to bed at around 10.30. Jeremy goes home. We have it from Julie that he rang at around 10pm -he timed the call- and then, having slept like a log, is allegedly woken by his "panicked" father's telephone call -he eventually told police "he sounded terrified". Does he react immediately? No. He idles his way through the phone book -ignoring the advert bearing the legend that in an emergency call 999- instead, calling a couple of local police stations which aren't manned 24 hours. He then, before phoning a manned police station, phones Julie again to tell her "something is wrong at the farm" It takes him approximately 20 minutes.

Once at the farm, he gives police chapter and verse of Sheila's mental state, embellishing and embroidering as he goes. She's only just come out of a psych hospital and is soon going back, She's gun competent. Has fired every gun in the house. She's attempted suicide. She's been diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic/depressive schizophrenic and had been treated with ECT. It's likely that not one of the operatives at that scene had ever previously dealt with a possible siege situation. They might have gone in earlier but for Jeremy's covert suggestions that they might possibly be facing a mad woman with a loaded gun who wouldn't think twice about using it. They weren't to know that everyone in that farmhouse was already dead.

So you see, for all the unfolding events which transpired we only have Jeremy's word. It was he who set the approximate timescale of events. Can he be believed? By some, certainly. Not by the jury.

Ham sandwich - standing up at the sink
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline APRIL

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #132 on: May 22, 2020, 10:27:17 PM »
Ham sandwich - standing up at the sink


Thank-you, Nicholas.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #133 on: May 22, 2020, 10:27:33 PM »
Ham sandwich - standing up at the sink

When asked by police what he did when he got home that night he said he phoned Julie and ‘I probably had a cup of coffee or a coke and possibly a sandwich.’  *&^^&
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Why would Julie do this? Say this?
« Reply #134 on: May 22, 2020, 10:28:26 PM »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation