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Offline Nicholas

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #105 on: May 23, 2020, 10:50:54 PM »



I have absolutely no idea, I’ve not looked into it. When I moved away, I literally did that and was not going to upset myself by trying to find out who was his best friend.  It’s none of my business.

Is that what you meant by position = best friend ?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #106 on: May 24, 2020, 10:19:43 AM »
I haven’t done anything wrong for him to blank me completely.

I’ve not betrayed him, I’ve not spoken to journalists or authors, I’ve not published letters nor have I divulged any of our private conversations outside of the case itself.  I’ve not tried to make money off of my relationship with him either as some have done therefore, I cannot see reason into why he would completely ignore me.

We had our troubles some years ago, I protested my innocence as best I could and walked away when I found out I was outnumbered.  Mmany people were writing to him, wasting his time and distracting him from his CCRC application that was very important to him, informing him of antics instigated and performed by other person  in the hope of blaming me and Therefore removing me from my position amongst his inner circle of friends.

I was never a threat to these people. I was a confidant, he ran everything by me  or sought opinion Before subscribing to anything. He valued my honest evaluation of media reporting and many a time I did not view the work and results of the CT as was relayed to him by them.   What they thought was positive media attention I might have Thought the opposite and I was in a position to relay that to him.  He trusted me implicitly and would then relay these concerns to the CT.   

Haha, that position didn’t last long - I had to go. 

But hey, he had a new team around him and maybe it was time for me to move on. 

I was very upset at first, well, I was upset for a couple of years if I be honest, I was concerned for his well being most of all, for many reasons after all he’d been betrayed and lied to in the past.  I was just one of a very small handful of ‘constants’ around him.  Over the years, some slipped away but I remained and did what I could.  I was merely a friend.

I have no idea whether any of those who removed me remain in contact,with him or are now part of his inner circle.  Some will be, of that I’m sure!

If the CT are reading this, then I would come to the same conclusions as you, that they are not going to want me back and therefore will do everything within their power to ensure he does not go through with this Q&A session and at the same time do all they can to discredit I me again as much as possible to ensure any possible friendship or communication or trust between us, be eliminated immediately.

I could be wrong, but these are my initial thoughts and views.....or maybe, I’m not that important at all, and my request will be accepted as he recognises that this is an alternative form of communication with the ‘nay sayers’.

https://www.theshaktijournal.com/how-society-enables-malignant-narcissists-and-gaslights-their-victims/

Malignant narcissists display a severe lack of empathy, a penchant for exploiting others and an excessive sense of entitlement. Given the nature of their pathological, hard-wired behavior, many are unlikely to change. Millions of survivors around the world are affected by their cruel and callous mistreatment, a form of insidious, psychological torment we call narcissistic abuse.

Covert malignant narcissists don’t just charm their relationship partners; they also fool law enforcement, lawyers, ADAs, judges, friends, family members and bosses every day. They are able to obtain followers and build harems that carry out their dirty work for them. They can sabotage, stalk, harass and retraumatize their victims even after they’ve supposedly ‘discarded’ them. They become enraged and vindictive should their victims leave first. They can even make their victims look like the abusers. How can this be?

The reason malignant narcissists are so convincing, however, has just as much to do with our core beliefs as it does with their skilled performances. Our inherent belief that everyone possesses the same conscience, moral inclinations and/or level of empathy that we do actually makes us more vulnerable, both as individuals and as a society, to rationalizing, minimizing or denying the damage that psychological predators inflict.

‘This means that narcissists use their cognitive empathy to assess a target’s weaknesses, strengths and emotions as a way to fulfill their own agendas. However, they feel little to no remorse about violating the rights of their victims and exploiting innocent people for their own gain. Perhaps even more startling, these same people reported positive feelings when looking at sad faces. This suggests that they possess a sadistic joy in provoking their victims – an experience survivors of narcissistic abuse are all too familiar with.

‘Survivors also ‘bond’ with their abusers through intense, traumatic experiences, which makes them likely to protect their abusers due to their own sense of cognitive dissonance about the abuser’s true self. They are conflicted due to the nature of the trauma, the dependence they developed as an effort to survive, as well as the fear of retaliation from their often more powerful partners. As a result, by the time survivors speak their truth, society may doubt their credibility.

« Last Edit: May 24, 2020, 10:24:46 AM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #107 on: May 24, 2020, 10:33:34 AM »
I would now beg to differ Ispy.  The tables have turned.

Eg: if he thought my suggestion was a good idea, an opportunity for him to speak directly to the people, and he wanted to go ahead with it the CT are now in a position to manipulate and control him.

All they need to do his threaten him. If he goes ahead with this Q&A session, then they will cease to work for him.

His power has been removed and THAT is what always concerned me.  I could see it from the off.

Bamber manipulates and controls those around him AA

You stated,

he ran everything by me  or sought opinion Before subscribing to anything. He valued my honest evaluation of media reporting and many a time I did not view the work and results of the CT as was relayed to him by them.   What they thought was positive media attention I might have Thought the opposite and I was in a position to relay that to him.  He trusted me implicitly and would then relay these concerns to the CT.   

Not sure what ‘concerns’ you are suggesting Bamber relayed to the CT but he wouldn’t have painted you in a good light AA

It was because of him you were ‘attacked’ like you were


The Narcissist’s Harem, Triangulation and the Enabler Effect
“With their magnetic charm and natural charisma, narcissists build harems of supporters and enablers with ease while alienating their victims throughout the relationship. They also use a few of their most loyal supporters to carry out their bidding when appropriate – everything from spying on the victim, collecting information on the victim and sabotaging the victim.

Those that carry out the dirty work for the narcissist are what the survivor community calls “flying monkeys,” and they can consist of false friends of the victim as well as the closest friends of the narcissistic abuser. Yet any enablers of the narcissist – those who protect the narcissist and deny the abuse – can be just as dangerous. The harem (the larger support group) of a narcissist can consist of ex-lovers, “friends” of the opposite sex (or same sex, depending on sexual orientation) who are not truly just friends, family members (narcissists are known to engage in covert emotional incest), relatives, co-workers, bosses and even complete strangers they can pull into the relationship dynamic to cause the victim to walk on eggshells.

The victim is essentially used for “target practice” in public and among the harem – humiliated, covertly and overtly put down, as well as triangulated with their harem members with sadistic pleasure. Should the victim ever steal focus away from the narcissistic abuser by being too social, likeable or confident, he or she will put down the victim to belittle his or her sense of self to ensure they are put in their place.

As a result, the abuse victim usually withdraws socially to prevent becoming a target and suffers from low levels of confidence. Should the target of the abuse ever speak out against the abuse, the narcissist then uses these reactions to blame the victim for being “needy,” “clingy,” “overemotional,” “too sensitive” and for “overreacting,” effectively gaslighting the victim into believing that it is the victim’s responsibility not to respond, react to or hold the abuser accountable.

How to Spot an Enabler or Flying Monkey and Move Forward
‘Many survivors struggle on their No Contact journey, not only because they are still attached to their abusers through the trauma bond, but due to the invalidation they receive from the rest of society. Those who have fallen under the narcissist’s spell can do just as much damage as the perpetrators. They may unwittingly or even deliberately participate in wreaking havoc on the victim’s life through the following ways:

Partaking in a love triangle with the narcissistic abuser and the victim. These types of enablers become sources of supply as they are receptive to flirtation, infidelity or the narcissist’s sexual advances despite the fact that they know it is morally wrong. They are swept off their feet by the narcissist and believe in the falsehoods that the abuser feeds them about their victims. Common claims that the victim is “crazy,” “insecure” or even abusive are common.
Justifying, rationalizing or minimizing the narcissist’s abusive behavior and blaming the victim if he or she ‘dares’ to speak out or take legal action against the abuser. This is common among enabling family members of the narcissistic abuser, who will do anything to protect their son, daughter, sibling, mother or father regardless of the harm they pose.
Feeding into the smear campaign against a victim by spreading malicious gossip, participating in rumor-mongering, or by excluding the victim from social events.
Helping the abuser to escape consequences for their actions. Lawyers, judges, ADAs can all act as ‘enablers’ of the abuser if they are convinced that the victim is the abuser, if they are charmed by the narcissist’s false mask and/or if they are persuaded by another flying monkey (such as the narcissist’s own lawyer) to drop charges.
Acting as a third party that passes on communication from or about the abuser to the victim through e-mail, text, mail, phone calls or in-person meetings. This can occur despite the presence of a restraining order or the setting of boundaries.
Refusing to believe the victim’s accounts of the abuse and engaging in victim shaming or blaming when the abuse is brought up.
Helping to silence the victim’s accusations by depicting the victim as unhinged, resentful or vengeful. Asking the victim to keep “quiet” about the abuse and to be “mature” or “move on” while dismissing the level of trauma experienced.
Perhaps not all ‘flying monkeys’ or enablers are as unempathic as the narcissistic abuser, but they can cause just as much harm, whether it is intentional or unintentional. Flying monkeys can even be part of the victim’s own support network, charmed by the narcissist to collect information about the victim and pass it onto the abuser.

These enablers may even believe they are doing the morally right thing by supporting the abuser and will rationalize their actions by claiming that they did not see the abuse occur and that they have never “seen that side of the abuser.” While it’s important to acknowledge that enablers fall on all points of the spectrum, from the dangerously malicious to the unwittingly naïve, protecting ourselves from the narcissist’s harem is essential to a survivor’s No Contact journey from his or her abuser.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2020, 10:50:24 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #108 on: May 24, 2020, 01:58:46 PM »
I beg to differ.

Offline Nicholas

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #109 on: May 24, 2020, 02:18:35 PM »
I beg to differ.

Up to you AA but you have described something very similar to this


The victim is essentially used for “target practice” in public and among the harem – humiliated, covertly and overtly put down, as well as triangulated with their harem members with sadistic pleasure. Should the victim ever steal focus away from the narcissistic abuser by being too social, likeable or confident, he or she will put down the victim to belittle his or her sense of self to ensure they are put in their place.

As a result, the abuse victim usually withdraws socially to prevent becoming a target
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #110 on: May 24, 2020, 02:21:21 PM »
Wonder what Angela Greaves would make of the following

Partaking in a love triangle with the narcissistic abuser and the victim. These types of enablers become sources of supply as they are receptive to flirtation, infidelity or the narcissist’s sexual advances despite the fact that they know it is morally wrong. They are swept off their feet by the narcissist and believe in the falsehoods that the abuser feeds them about their victims. Common claims that the victim is “crazy,” “insecure” or even abusive are common.
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Brancher

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Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #111 on: May 27, 2020, 07:59:08 PM »
Up to you AA

You're right, it is, so perhaps you should now leave her alone and stop diverting the thread?

Even if she's wrong and she's basing her allegiance to Jeremy Bamber on emotional attachment rather than a strict and coldly logical analysis of the case, even a convicted mass murderer is still a human being and deserves to have people who care about him.

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #112 on: May 28, 2020, 06:32:23 PM »
Hi all,

I've had a reply this morning from Jeremy.

He will not go ahead with the Q&A and I'll just hope that his legal team  can get him out.

Here's his reply regarding the Q&A.

Sorry.  I disagree with him and feel this would have been a good opportunity for him and for you.

All the best.  I'm out of here again. X


Offline The General

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #113 on: May 28, 2020, 06:39:46 PM »
Bamber: Do you think going on social  media will end up with all kinds of unnecessary stresses?
Asking for a friend.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Myster

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #114 on: May 28, 2020, 06:41:36 PM »
Before you go, Aggy... you've still got me in suspenders about your request for an electric layout.  What was the reason?
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline The General

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #115 on: May 28, 2020, 06:44:51 PM »
Before you go, Aggy... you've still got me in suspenders about your request for an electric layout.  What was the reason?
......he cut the FRICKIN LIGHTS! O M G. He had a torch.
Maybe.
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Offline Myster

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #116 on: May 28, 2020, 06:49:35 PM »
......he cut the FRICKIN LIGHTS! O M G. He had a torch.
Maybe.
Or he planned to turn the brass bed into Old Smokey.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline The General

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2020, 06:55:01 PM »
Or he planned to turn the brass bed into Old Smokey.
Not the best conductor brass and not on domestic supply 230v.
My half-baked theory is better. In my opinion.
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Offline Myster

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #118 on: May 28, 2020, 07:15:02 PM »
Not the best conductor brass and not on domestic supply 230v.
My half-baked theory is better. In my opinion.
Naah... I built an electric-shock machine once, powered only by a 9 volt battery using Meccano Elektrikit and asked my dad to be first guinea-pig.  So just think what a bumped-up 240v could do...... Better stop there before somebody accuses me of having psychopathic tendencies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxJIXBJSRLk
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: ASK; JEREMY BAMBER
« Reply #119 on: May 28, 2020, 07:37:48 PM »
He survived by the way..... only just, but you have to blame your home city Liverpool for being the source of such deadly devices...

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