Why were they all at the White House that night? Colin Caffell's alibi?

[Myster]

OK so do you accept all that as truth?   Where can I find Jeremy Bamber's statement?

For the most part, yes.  Bamber's statement about emptying the box of ammunition here...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5632.msg200222#msg200222

[Myster]

OK so do you accept all that as truth?   Where can I find Jeremy Bamber's statement?

Part of Ron Cook's transcript at trial concerning removal of the rifle...

[Brietta]

For the most part, yes.  Bamber's statement about emptying the box of ammunition here...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5632.msg200222#msg200222

I thought Bamber had covered himself re forensics by 'shooting rabbits' but I was wrong ... the rabbits had disappeared by the time he got out and he did not discharge the weapon.
Even if he had worn the wet suit it is possible that he might have been contaminated with gun shot residue ... nostril - hair or when the glove came off while he was dealing with Nevill which would have taken some explaining.
So his vilification of Sheila was successful insofar as no-one even gave a thought to taking swabs or samples of any kind from him. Pity.

[Nicholas]

I thought Bamber had covered himself re forensics by 'shooting rabbits' but I was wrong ... the rabbits had disappeared by the time he got out and he did not discharge the weapon.
Even if he had worn the wet suit it is possible that he might have been contaminated with gun shot residue ... nostril - hair or when the glove came off while he was dealing with Nevill which would have taken some explaining.
So his vilification of Sheila was successful insofar as no-one even gave a thought to taking swabs or samples of any kind from him. Pity.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/minimal-entry-england-essex-int-ron-stone-essex-deputy-news-footage/1131166387?adppopup=true

[APRIL]

I thought Bamber had covered himself re forensics by 'shooting rabbits' but I was wrong ... the rabbits had disappeared by the time he got out and he did not discharge the weapon.
Even if he had worn the wet suit it is possible that he might have been contaminated with gun shot residue ... nostril - hair or when the glove came off while he was dealing with Nevill which would have taken some explaining.
So his vilification of Sheila was successful insofar as no-one even gave a thought to taking swabs or samples of any kind from him. Pity.

ALL hypothetical, but..........

...........He could have showered in the wet suit and left it in his old bedroom at WHF -police discovered the door of which to be locked.

If he hadn't worn a wetsuit, he could have gone home and thrown his work/massacre clothes in the washing machine -which would be the usual thing to do after a hot, sweaty day at work- police wouldn't have thought twice about it as he wasn't a suspect.

He could have thrown, into the fire pit, all the clothes he'd worn.

[Caroline]

ALL hypothetical, but..........

...........He could have showered in the wet suit and left it in his old bedroom at WHF -police discovered the door of which to be locked.

If he hadn't worn a wetsuit, he could have gone home and thrown his work/massacre clothes in the washing machine -which would be the usual thing to do after a hot, sweaty day at work- police wouldn't have thought twice about it as he wasn't a suspect.

He could have thrown, into the fire pit, all the clothes he'd worn.

They eventually did get into his room, I'm sure the fire pit contained evidence. For those of you who think he's innocent, is it normal to gather your parents clothes a few days after their murder, pile them high on a farm trailer and burn them?

[mrswah]

They eventually did get into his room, I'm sure the fire pit contained evidence. For those of you who think he's innocent, is it normal to gather your parents clothes a few days after their murder, pile them high on a farm trailer and burn them?

The fire pit contained evidence of what----the wetsuit?

[APRIL]

The fire pit contained evidence of what----the wetsuit?

No. The wetsuit was in the wardrobe. The firepit would have contained things like remnants of Harris tweed, Barbour jackets, Pringle , Vyella, and all the other labels so beloved by the county loving class.

[Brietta]

ALL hypothetical, but..........

...........He could have showered in the wet suit and left it in his old bedroom at WHF -police discovered the door of which to be locked.

If he hadn't worn a wetsuit, he could have gone home and thrown his work/massacre clothes in the washing machine -which would be the usual thing to do after a hot, sweaty day at work- police wouldn't have thought twice about it as he wasn't a suspect.

He could have thrown, into the fire pit, all the clothes he'd worn.

Bamber would probably have got away with it had he been less indiscreet with Julie Mugford and had given some thought to the silencer getting contaminated internally proving categorically that the narrative he promoted regarding Sheila was nonsense.

The only way traces of Sheila could have been found deep within the silencer was if she had been shot while it was attached to the weapon used to kill her and to wipe out her family.



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The distribution of blood in the moderator is an issue I addressed in great detail.  The prosecution experts found visible blood on the first 5-7 baffles wiht the volume decreasing the further it got from the opening.  The defense expert found microscopic traces of blood on the first 8 baffles.  The blood was tested and detemrined to be group A.  In addition a flake of blood that dried between baffles 1 and 2 was tested and determined to be group A but also had an anzyme which June didn't possess but Sheila did.

June and Sheila both have group A blood but Sheila has enzyme AK1 while June has enzyme AK2-1 so the flake was consistent with Sheila's blood not June's.  AK2-1 is more hardy than AK1 and since the AK1 enzyme had not yet deteriorated that means had June's blood been present her AK2-1 enzymes would still have been present.  So this speaks against the blood on the baffles or the flake containing any of June's blood because there was no AK2-1 present and there should have been if her blood was present because AK2-1 takes longer to deteriorate than AK1 and AK1 was present.

The only way for blood to get on the 8 baffles with the volume dimishing is if it were sprayed there.  High velocity backspatter is a spray of atomized blood.  The larger particles cannot travel as far as the fine particles so the larger blood will be on the early baffles. This is exactly what was observed.

You have no way at all to suggest the blood was anything other than backspatter from Sheila.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6061.msg222171#msg222171

[Caroline]

The fire pit contained evidence of what----the wetsuit?

Eh? I didn't mention the wetsuit - the fire pit was an ideal area to rid himself of evidence. You missed the point about him burins all of Nevill and June's clothes.  If your parents were murdered, would you pile their clothes high in the garden just day after they died and set fire to them?

[APRIL]

Bamber would probably have got away with it had he been less indiscreet with Julie Mugford and had given some thought to the silencer getting contaminated internally proving categorically that the narrative he promoted regarding Sheila was nonsense.

The only way traces of Sheila could have been found deep within the silencer was if she had been shot while it was attached to the weapon used to kill her and to wipe out her family.



Snip
The distribution of blood in the moderator is an issue I addressed in great detail.  The prosecution experts found visible blood on the first 5-7 baffles wiht the volume decreasing the further it got from the opening.  The defense expert found microscopic traces of blood on the first 8 baffles.  The blood was tested and detemrined to be group A.  In addition a flake of blood that dried between baffles 1 and 2 was tested and determined to be group A but also had an anzyme which June didn't possess but Sheila did.

June and Sheila both have group A blood but Sheila has enzyme AK1 while June has enzyme AK2-1 so the flake was consistent with Sheila's blood not June's.  AK2-1 is more hardy than AK1 and since the AK1 enzyme had not yet deteriorated that means had June's blood been present her AK2-1 enzymes would still have been present.  So this speaks against the blood on the baffles or the flake containing any of June's blood because there was no AK2-1 present and there should have been if her blood was present because AK2-1 takes longer to deteriorate than AK1 and AK1 was present.

The only way for blood to get on the 8 baffles with the volume dimishing is if it were sprayed there.  High velocity backspatter is a spray of atomized blood.  The larger particles cannot travel as far as the fine particles so the larger blood will be on the early baffles. This is exactly what was observed.

You have no way at all to suggest the blood was anything other than backspatter from Sheila.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6061.msg222171#msg222171

Brietta, he came so, SO close to getting away with it.

[Nicholas]

ALL hypothetical, but..........

...........He could have showered in the wet suit and left it in his old bedroom at WHF -police discovered the door of which to be locked.

If he hadn't worn a wetsuit, he could have gone home and thrown his work/massacre clothes in the washing machine -which would be the usual thing to do after a hot, sweaty day at work- police wouldn't have thought twice about it as he wasn't a suspect.

He could have thrown, into the fire pit, all the clothes he'd worn.

Wasn’t there an observation made about there being no towels at his cottage or something ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

They eventually did get into his room, I'm sure the fire pit contained evidence. For those of you who think he's innocent, is it normal to gather your parents clothes a few days after their murder, pile them high on a farm trailer and burn them?

It’s another of those “just because he did x doesn’t make him a murderer” arguments.  I must compile a list of all of them, it would be quite a long list.

[Caroline]

It’s another of those “just because he did x doesn’t make him a murderer” arguments.  I must compile a list of all of them, it would be quite a long list.

And ever growing!

[Vertigo Swirl]

And ever growing!

I have started a thread, pending approval.