And here’s a thread Holly started over on blue re Charles Marsden http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3878.msg159278.html#msg159278
Charles Marsden
« on: February 05, 2013, 11:13:PM »
Steve_uk has asked posters to rate the credibility of Charles Marsden as a *prosecution witness but I've noticed that many posters have no idea who CM is. So for those in doubt I've taken all the info verbatim from Wilkes' book. Charles Marsden was the boyfriend of JM's friend, Liz Rimmington. And although CM was interviewed by the police I don't believe he was actually a *prosecution witness?
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Para 1
"A friend of Jeremy, Charles Mardsen, called round, and someone suggested going out for dinner. Once again, the venue was the Caribbean Cottage at Burnham, although for some reason the party didn't eat. They just drunk"
Para 2
"The detectives were intrigued by the tale told by another of Jeremy Bamber's friends, the sales manager for a computer firm, called Charles Marsden. Marsden was also the boyfriend of Liz Rimmington. He described how he'd become part of Jeremy's set at the Frog and Beans wine bar in Colchester. He explained that in a crowd that included women, Jeremy would splash out with money to the extent that he could be called 'flash'. 'He was impressed by money,' Marsden added. 'He was impressed by people who spend a lot and the things that money could buy, such as expensive cars.' Although he worked for a modest wage on his father's farm, Jeremy had boasted that one day he would be a wealthy man. Marsden took this to mean that one day Jeremy expected to inherit his parents' money.
Para 3
In December 1984, Jeremy had announced that his entire family were getting together to celebrate Christimas. This was unusual. During a drinking session at a wine bar in Maldon, Jeremy had confided to Charles Marsden that if the farmhouse were to burn down over Christmas, everything would be his. 'I thought at the time that this was a strange thing to say,' Marsden reported, 'but didn't particularly take any notice.'
Para 4
At teatime on the day following the White House Farm massacre, Jeremy Bamber had appeared at Charles Marsden's office in Colchester. Marsden knew nothing of what had happened, and Jeremy poured out the story that Marsden later read in the newspapers. The two men drove to a little pub outside Colchester and talked for about half an hour. 'I thought it strange that Jeremy had come to see me with this news,' Marsden admitted, 'but I thought he was probably in shock.' What struck Charles Marsden most forcibly was that in speaking of Sheila - the sister he said had murdered his entire family and then shot herself - Jeremy showed neither emotion nor anger towards her.
Para 5
Marsden said that he had visited Jeremy at his cottage the previous Thursday night. Brett Collins had cooked them a chicken dinner and the three had then repaired to the Caribbean Cottage at Burnham for drinks. Jeremy had announced that he and Julie had split up the previous weekend. While he didn't give a specific reason, Marsden had the impression that Julie had disliked Brett Collins. In any case, Jeremy added, he now had a new girlfriend, Virginia Greaves, who used to go out with Mike Deckers of the Frog and Beans. Jeremy also told Charles Marsden that he and Brett were going to sell Bourtree Cottage and move to Sheila's flat in Maida Vale. Virginia would move in too, Jeremy added.
Para 6
The detectives seemed anxious to probe Jeremy Bamber's sexual habits and preferences. They learned from Charles Marsden that Jeremy possessed an animal magnetism for women. Marsden said that while he knew of only two serious girlfriends, Suzette Ford and Julie Mugford, Jeremy had had many one-night stands. He enjoyed going to clubs, such as Stringfellows in London, pulling women. Marsden recalled an evening before the murders when he and Jeremy had gone drinking at Jeremy's local, the Chequers at Goldhangers. They had picked up a couple of girls, one of whom had agreed to return with them to Jeremy's cottage. Marsden, very drunk, had crashed out in Jeremy's bed. Some time later, he'd been awoken by movement in the bed. Lying there half asleep, Marsden realised that Jeremy had brought the girl upstairs and that the couple were having sex. The idea of three-in-a bed sex excited the detectives' curiosity still further. But Charles Marsden was at pains to insist that he hadn't taken part in the sex session. And when Jeremy returned from walking the girl home, Marsden himself had got up and driven home.
Para 7
Later, at Bourtree Cottage , he'd spread the money all over the floor to look at it, before stashing it all in his little Chinese trick box and calling Charles and Liz to arrange an expensive night out. The following evening the foursome dined out at Fifi's in Colchester and drank pink and white champagne all evening. The bill came to £125.
Para 8
Stan Jones leafed through a sheaf of typewritten papers on the table in front of him. 'So,' he said, 'you know Charles Marsden?' Jeremy said he did. 'He and I were very close a few years ago, and not so close now as I don't really see him that often.' The detective continued to look through his papers. 'Do you remember me yesterday putting to you that Julie had said that you intended to drug the family and burn the farm down when they were all in it ? Bamber said he remembered and that Julie was telling lies. 'You see' said Stan Jones, running a finger down one of the statements, 'Charles Marsden also says the same thing. He says that around Christmas time last year, when all the family, your parents, Sheila and twins were there, you told him that if you burned the house down with all them in it, you'd get everything. Is he telling lies as well? Jeremy said he didn't remember discussing the matter with Marsden, and that he concluded that his friend was lying. Stan Jones put the statement down on the table. Julie's telling lies.' he said, recapping 'and he is telling lies. For what reason? 'No comment.'
Para 9
Charles Marsden had also called to say that he'd been interviewed by detectives no fewer than three times.
Oh, there’s much more here than meets the eye...
This quote of Charles Marsden’s, for example:
“Sometime later he’d been awoken by movement in the bed. Lying there half asleep, Marsden realised that Jeremy had brought the girl upstairs and that the couple were having sex. The idea of three-in-a bed sex excited the detectives' curiosity still further. But Charles Marsden was at pains to insist that he hadn't taken part in the sex session. And when Jeremy returned from walking the girl home, Marsden himself had got up and driven home”
So, Charles admits he was woken by “movement in bed” — so why wasn’t he woken by the same movement in bed when Jeremy brought up a different girl on another occasion? Or maybe he did...I’m losing track
Charles had a habit of climbing into Jeremy’s bed leaving him and a girl downstairs, then for some strange reason Jeremy would bring the girl up into that bed where Charles lay....
It’s well-known that bisexual men enjoy threesomes with a woman; they can be close and intimate with each other without feeling gay...
But more importantly, why did Charles get up from the bed and drive himself home after Jeremy walked the girl home? He obviously wasn’t there to SLEEP the night...
He’d have gone home in the morning if that was the case
Charles Marsden, jumping into Jeremy’s bed leaving him and a girl downstairs, with no intention to sleep the night...and then Jeremy guiding her upstairs into that bed where Charles lay...waiting...
And that’s isn’t strange?😳
