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Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #210 on: May 23, 2020, 12:31:57 PM »
Do you think the reason Bamber went to see Charles Marsden’s the night following the murders could have had anything to do with the night they took Sarah back to Bourtree cottage?

The pair of them went to a pub just outside Colchester apparently for around half an hour

What do you think they discussed - it appears to have never been disclosed

If the police interviewed Charles Marsden 3 times where are the corresponding witness statements / police notes/ entries etc ?



You’re asking the wrong person Nicholas.  It’s CAL who should have been asking the questions before she wrote about it and if the Police saw through Jeremy they would have perused this further, unless they we quite incompetent.

You cannot have it both ways.

The couple were doing what loads couples do Each weekend.  The actions of two very drunk and people who could have been smoking as well.  Both completely off their faces however Sarah seems somewhat ashamed by her actions and has seemingly tried to put the blame on Jeremy, just like many others.

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #211 on: May 23, 2020, 12:34:03 PM »
Or maybe the Osea Road burglary ?
(Source: Roger Wilkes book ‘Blood Relations’)



I don’t presume to think what other people are thinking Nicholas....that’s very dangerous and causes things to be twisted and distorted to jeremys detriment each time. 

Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #212 on: May 23, 2020, 12:41:03 PM »
'I thought it strange that Jeremy had come to see me with this news,'

Marsden admitted, 'but I thought he was probably in shock.'

Why did Charles Marsden think it ‘strange’ for Bamber to have turned up at his office at teatime?

What reason does he give in his witness statement for referring to it as strange?

Charles Marsden had also called to say that he'd been interviewed by detectives no fewer than three times.

What’s also suspicious about this is that Charles Marsden called it ‘strange’ for Bamber to have called at his office on the evening following the murders, yet it appears Marsden also called Bamber to tell him he’d been interviewed by detectives 3 times?

Presuming this is Bamber he’s referring to or is this Liz Rimmimgton or someone else ?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #213 on: May 23, 2020, 12:44:47 PM »

I think there were many anti-gay people around in the 1980s, which sadly meant many people tried to hide their sexuality. It’s of no relevance which gender he liked to have sex with: the relevance is — and from what Julie states in her WS’s — he was being deceptive, unfaithful, promiscuous  — and wasn’t being honest with her. Remember, that was bang at the time of the onset of AIDS, which mainly affected gay people, so Jeremy was putting Julie — and everyone else he had sex with — at danger. Thankfully, they both dodged that bullet, but nonetheless he was taking a huge risk...

It’s clear going by Julie’s statements that he was cheating on her and having sex with others behind her back, and he was hiding it from her, being deceptive.

Julie saying that their sex life was normal sounds like it was — but she would have been referring to their own sex life as a couple.

My definition of promiscuous is someone who is constantly on the lookout for no strings attached sex.

It is known JB had relationships with SF and JM.  I believe there was a short relationship with a woman called Ann?  The one night stand with LR.  The holiday fling with the Swiss woman.  Last but not least AG. 

Did he have sex with Sarah or was this just a drunken fumble?

Where's the evidence he had sexual relationships with males?  Of course it was easy for a rumour to take hold about a Jeff in NZ as it wasn't easy to corroborate and Afaik never has been.

He may have used condoms.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #214 on: May 23, 2020, 12:44:50 PM »
The following is Roger Wilkes interpretation - token from his book on the case ‘Blood Relations

How was Charles Marsden ‘at pains to insist that he hadn’t taken part in the sex session

And why has Roger Wilkes chosen to refer to this incident as a ‘sex session’ when it appears apparent from Sarah’s evidence it was nothing of the sort ?!?

Source Carol Ann Lee ‘The Murders at White House Farm’



I would interpret that to mean that he didn’t have a threesome or anything else for that matter, implying it was not as sinister as Is being suggested here.    It discredits any suspicion of untoward activity and reinforces the opinion that it was a pair of pissed individuals acting out alone.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #215 on: May 23, 2020, 12:45:20 PM »
'I thought it strange that Jeremy had come to see me with this news,'

Marsden admitted, 'but I thought he was probably in shock”

Why did Charles Marsden think it ‘strange’ for Bamber to have turned up at his office at teatime?

What reason does he give in his witness statement for referring to it as strange?

Charles Marsden used the word ‘strange’ here too

In December 1984, Jeremy had announced that his entire family were getting together to celebrate Christimas.  This was unusual.  During a drinking session at a wine bar in Maldon, Jeremy had confided to Charles Marsden that if the farmhouse were to burn down over Christmas, everything would be his.  'I thought at the time that this was a strange thing to say,' Marsden reported, 'but didn't particularly take any notice.'
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #216 on: May 23, 2020, 12:46:21 PM »
My definition of promiscuous is someone who is constantly on the lookout for no strings attached sex.

It is known JB had relationships with SF and JM.  I believe there was a short relationship with a woman called Ann?  The one night stand with LR.  The holiday fling with the Swiss woman.  Last but not least AG. 

Did he have sex with Sarah or was this just a drunken fumble?

Where's the evidence he had sexual relationships with males?  Of course it was easy for a rumour to take hold about a Jeff in NZ as it wasn't easy to corroborate and Afaik never has been.

He may have used condoms.

I would also point out accusations of promiscuity were also levelled at SC. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #217 on: May 23, 2020, 12:55:06 PM »
Charles Marsden used the word ‘strange’ here too




Jeremy has just lost his whole family.  I’m in no position to judge anybody’s actions under such intense emotional pain.

I, or anybody else, having found them selves in the position he did cannot be accused or suspected of anything untoward just because he turned up unexpectedly at his mates work place for a chat.

He’s looking for answers maybe, talking to a friend to help him try and comprehend what has just taken place.

CM states Jeremy was in shock!

Offline Caroline

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #218 on: May 23, 2020, 12:57:33 PM »


You’re asking the wrong person Nicholas.  It’s CAL who should have been asking the questions before she wrote about it and if the Police saw through Jeremy they would have perused this further, unless they we quite incompetent.

You cannot have it both ways.

The couple were doing what loads couples do Each weekend.  The actions of two very drunk and people who could have been smoking as well.  Both completely off their faces however Sarah seems somewhat ashamed by her actions and has seemingly tried to put the blame on Jeremy, just like many others.

That wasn't the emphasis of CAL's book.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #219 on: May 23, 2020, 01:11:45 PM »
Excerpts from Wilkes book re CM:

Para 1

"A friend of Jeremy, Charles Mardsen, called round, and someone suggested going out for dinner.  Once again, the venue was the Caribbean Cottage at Burnham, although for some reason the party didn't eat.  They just drunk"

Para 2

"The detectives were intrigued by the tale told by another of Jeremy Bamber's friends, the sales manager for a computer firm, called Charles Marsden.  Marsden was also the boyfriend of Liz Rimmington.  He described how he'd become part of Jeremy's set at the Frog and Beans wine bar in Colchester.  He explained that in a crowd that included women, Jeremy would splash out with money to the extent that he could be called 'flash'.  'He was impressed by money,' Marsden added.  'He was impressed by people who spend a lot and the things that money could buy, such as expensive cars.'  Although he worked for a modest wage on his father's farm, Jeremy had boasted that one day he would be a wealthy man.  Marsden took this to mean that one day Jeremy expected to inherit his parents' money.

Para 3

In December 1984, Jeremy had announced that his entire family were getting together to celebrate Christimas.  This was unusual.  During a drinking session at a wine bar in Maldon, Jeremy had confided to Charles Marsden that if the farmhouse were to burn down over Christmas, everything would be his.  'I thought at the time that this was a strange thing to say,' Marsden reported, 'but didn't particularly take any notice.'

Para 4

At teatime on the day following the White House Farm massacre, Jeremy Bamber had appeared at Charles Marsden's office in Colchester.  Marsden knew nothing of what had happened, and Jeremy poured out the story that Marsden later read in the newspapers.  The two men drove to a little pub outside Colchester and talked for about half an hour.  'I thought it strange that Jeremy had come to see me with this news,' Marsden admitted, 'but I thought he was probably in shock.'  What struck Charles Marsden most forcibly was that in speaking of Sheila - the sister he said had murdered his entire family and then shot herself - Jeremy showed neither emotion nor anger towards her.

Para 5

Marsden said that he had visited Jeremy at his cottage the previous Thursday night.  Brett Collins had cooked them a chicken dinner and the three had then repaired to the Caribbean Cottage at Burnham for drinks.  Jeremy had announced that he and Julie had split up the previous weekend.  While he didn't give a specific reason, Marsden had the impression that Julie had disliked Brett Collins.  In any case, Jeremy added, he now had a new girlfriend, Virginia Greaves, who used to go out with Mike Deckers of the Frog and Beans.  Jeremy also told Charles Marsden that he and Brett were going to sell Bourtree Cottage and move to Sheila's flat in Maida Vale.  Virginia would move in too, Jeremy added.

Para 6

The detectives seemed anxious to probe Jeremy Bamber's sexual habits and preferences.  They learned from Charles Marsden that Jeremy possessed an animal magnetism for women.  Marsden said that while he knew of only two serious girlfriends, Suzette Ford and Julie Mugford, Jeremy had had many one-night stands.  He enjoyed going to clubs, such as Stringfellows in London, pulling women.  Marsden recalled an evening before the murders when he and Jeremy had gone drinking at Jeremy's local, the Chequers at Goldhangers.  They had picked up a couple of girls, one of whom had agreed to return with them to Jeremy's cottage.  Marsden, very drunk, had crashed out in Jeremy's bed.  Some time later, he'd been awoken by movement in the bed.  Lying there half asleep, Marsden realised that Jeremy had brought the girl upstairs and that the couple were having sex.  The idea of three-in-a bed sex excited the detectives' curiosity still further.  But Charles Marsden was at pains to insist that he hadn't taken part in the sex session.  And when Jeremy returned from walking the girl home, Marsden himself had got up and driven home.

Para 7

Later, at Bourtree Cottage , he'd spread the money all over the floor to look at it, before stashing it all in his little Chinese trick box and calling Charles and Liz to arrange an expensive night out.  The following evening the foursome dined out at Fifi's in Colchester and drank pink and white champagne all evening.  The bill came to £125.

Para 8

Stan Jones leafed through a sheaf of typewritten papers on the table in front of him.  'So,' he said, 'you know Charles Marsden?'  Jeremy said he did.  'He and I were very close a few years ago, and not so close now as I don't really see him that often.'  The detective continued to look through his papers.  'Do you remember me yesterday putting to you that Julie had said that you intended to drug the family and burn the farm down when they were all in it ?  Bamber said he remembered and that Julie was telling lies.  'You see' said Stan Jones, running a finger down one of the statements, 'Charles Marsden also says the same thing.  He says that around Christmas time last year, when all the family, your parents, Sheila and twins were there, you told him that if you burned the house down with all them in it, you'd get everything.  Is he telling lies as well?  Jeremy said he didn't remember discussing the matter with Marsden, and that he concluded that his friend was lying.  Stan Jones put the statement down on the table.  Julie's telling lies.' he said, recapping 'and he is telling lies.  For what reason? 'No comment.'

Para 9

Charles Marsden had also called to say that he'd been interviewed by detectives no fewer than three times.


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See the subtle anomalies at paras 3 and 8 from book excerpt in marked lines.  CM says "...if the farmhouse were to burn down..."  Stan Jones says "...you told him that if you burned the house down with all them in it
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #220 on: May 23, 2020, 01:17:00 PM »
That wasn't the emphasis of CAL's book.




.....but she has used it to try and support her story through character assassination in order to support her theory of guilt.


Her writing in this particular instance has no weight and depth to it....until you come on here and opposers will certainly tell you exactly what Bamber was thinking, what conversations he had, what advantages he took of people etc.

He story is not based on facts!  It is a story...it’s make believe.

Offline APRIL

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #221 on: May 23, 2020, 01:23:21 PM »



.....but she has used it to try and support her story through character assassination in order to support her theory of guilt.


Her writing in this particular instance has no weight and depth to it....until you come on here and opposers will certainly tell you exactly what Bamber was thinking, what conversations he had, what advantages he took of people etc.

He story is not based on facts!  It is a story...it’s make believe.


Sadly, Auntie A, not entirely. I know those who say very similar of him well before the murders were committed, long before you had dealings with him.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #222 on: May 23, 2020, 01:29:38 PM »

If any charges had been brought, if there had been the slightest indication of a suspected date rape charge It would have reached the public domain.  I’d bet my best hat on it!


It has been by Carol Ann Lees book ‘The Murders at White House Farm’
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #223 on: May 23, 2020, 01:30:36 PM »

They were both pi**ed that night.  They did what a lot of pi**ed people do.


Where’s your evidence for this claim ?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #224 on: May 23, 2020, 01:33:30 PM »

There is no evidence whatsoever that he gave drugs to Sarah

There is

She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy’s bedroom with him, ‘on top of me having intercourse’.
The following day, the girl wondered whether she had been drugged. Feeling ‘shocked, angry and abused’ after hearing that Jeremy had told Julie about the episode, she called at the cottage while Jeremy was working.


(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee ‘The Murders at White House Farm)
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation