Poll - Yes or No?

[Caroline]

According to AE she found a trailer outside the back door on 30th Aug so some 3 weeks after the tragedy.

It was something that needed to be done and it appears the housekeeper, Jean Boutell, assisted him.

AE asked about any discarded clothing going to the Red Cross.

No, no, no! He asked Len Foulks to fetch a trailer and bring it to the back door because he had some 'rubbish' from the house. Just because he asked Jean B to help, doesn't mean it was something that 'needed to be done'. The fact that AE aksed for the clothes to go to the red cross makes the whole thing WORSE because Philip Wilson, Barbara Wilson's son emptied the trailer into the pit where they were burned.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, I know, but I could turn that round on you and say, as I mentioned in my post above, that you are looking for patterns and it's no surprise that you find the patterns.  You're biased.

Somebody looking at my behaviour could say: "When we told him, he was laughing, and then....he forced himself to cry, and he had one eye on me while he was doing it.  He did, you know!  Right psychopath he is!  Then he made himself breakfast!  He was properly tucking into those Coco-Pops, you should have seen him, and wolfed down that jam on toast, and he was mentioning how he'd got a discount on his coffee at Morrisons in a 3 for 1.  And then, get this....He was straight back to work, making those flower baskets for Jones Garden Centre, laughing and joking like he didn't have a care in the world.  You should have seen him grinning at the funeral too.  The cold-blooded psycho!"

Anyway, it's all a bit airy-fairy and, for me, it's not very impressive.  It's not evidence.  And it goes back to the whole problem with Julie Mugford's evidence, the critical parts of which are plain wrong, and the rest is just gossip.

I accept Bamber was a nasty piece of work, but so what?  It doesn't make him a murderer.

By your own admission you didn’t care much about your father, hence your behaviour after his death.  You seem to be suggesting JB also didn’t really care that his whole family had been murdered, which is contrary to the impression he tried to give, especially at the funeral. 

[Holly Goodhead]

No, no, no! He asked Len Foulks to fetch a trailer and bring it to the back door because he had some 'rubbish' from the house. Just because he asked Jean B to help, doesn't mean it was something that 'needed to be done'. The fact that AE aksed for the clothes to go to the red cross makes the whole thing WORSE because Philip Wilson, Barbara Wilson's son emptied the trailer into the pit where they were burned.

Cite please.

P215 CAL refers to DI Cook arranging with a farm worker to bring a trailer round where mattresses and bloodstained carpet pieces were tipped out of an upstairs window onto a trailer and taken to a site on the farm which was used to burn general rubbish.

According to DI Cook the 1986 internal review confirmed nothing of evidential value was lost.

[Caroline]

Cite please.

P215 CAL refers to DI Cook arranging with a farm worker to bring a trailer round where mattresses and bloodstained carpet pieces were tipped out of an upstairs window onto a trailer and taken to a site on the farm which was used to burn general rubbish.

According to DI Cook the 1986 internal review confirmed nothing of evidential value was lost.

You never just trust me do you? 

After handing Len his wages, Jeremy asked for a small trailer, explaining that he wanted it for rubbish from the house. He backed it into the yard with the tractor, close to the door. When Jean saw him later that morning he told her to pack the rest of the silverware into a large box,

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (pp. 257-258). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

The trailer was still in the yard and piled high with Nevill and June’s clothes when Ann and her father called at White House Farm on Friday afternoon. Jean offered them June’s collection of commemorative biscuit tins,

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 259). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.


When Barbara and Jean arrived for work on Monday, 2 September a narrow pall of smoke was curling up from the waste pit in the garden, where Philip Wilson had emptied the trailer as instructed.

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 264). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

 

[Holly Goodhead]

You never just trust me do you? 

After handing Len his wages, Jeremy asked for a small trailer, explaining that he wanted it for rubbish from the house. He backed it into the yard with the tractor, close to the door. When Jean saw him later that morning he told her to pack the rest of the silverware into a large box,

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (pp. 257-258). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

The trailer was still in the yard and piled high with Nevill and June’s clothes when Ann and her father called at White House Farm on Friday afternoon. Jean offered them June’s collection of commemorative biscuit tins,

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 259). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.


When Barbara and Jean arrived for work on Monday, 2 September a narrow pall of smoke was curling up from the waste pit in the garden, where Philip Wilson had emptied the trailer as instructed.

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 264). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

The above doesn't tell us when these events happened.  But with regard to the trailer piled high with NB and June's clothes it seems this happened at the same time as Jean Boutell offered AE June's commemorative biscuit tins which was 30th Aug.

[Caroline]

The above doesn't tell us when these events happened.  But with regard to the trailer piled high with NB and June's clothes it seems this happened at the same time as Jean Boutell offered AE June's commemorative biscuit tins which was 30th Aug.

And?

[Holly Goodhead]

And?

And your poll question asks:

Who Would Burn  Their Recently Murdered Parents Clothing Days After Their Death?

You refer to days when it seems we're talking over 3 weeks.

[Caroline]

And your poll question asks:

Who Would Burn  Their Recently Murdered Parents Clothing Days After Their Death?

You refer to days when it seems we're talking over 3 weeks.

OK, I will amend the question, admittedly I thought it was earlier BUT Who would burn their recently murdered parents clothing in a fire pit and after an offer of was made to take them to the Red Cross?

[Caroline]

If anyone wishes to change their vote I can reset?

Have you voted yet Holly?

[Holly Goodhead]

OK, I will amend the question, admittedly I thought it was earlier BUT Who would burn their recently murdered parents clothing in a fire pit and after an offer of was made to take them to the Red Cross?

Maybe they were on the trailer ready for AE/RWB to take to Red Cross.

It's subjective and personal.  I would just want to get shot of it all.  I'm not sure I like the idea of strangers walking around in loved ones clothes that are no longer around. 

[Caroline]

Maybe they were on the trailer ready for AE/RWB to take to Red Cross.

It's subjective and personal.  I would just want to get shot of it all.  I'm not sure I like the idea of strangers walking around in loved ones clothes that are no longer around.

You making excuses again! 

Philip Wilson was 'instructed; to burn the in the fire pit. If you think it's perfectly reasonable to burn your murdered parents clothing when they could have gone to charity, then vote yes. It's quite simple but make sure that you're not just choosing the the option that makes him looks lest bad. 

[APRIL]

Maybe they were on the trailer ready for AE/RWB to take to Red Cross.

It's subjective and personal.  I would just want to get shot of it all.  I'm not sure I like the idea of strangers walking around in loved ones clothes that are no longer around.

Even if you knew how philanthropic they were? I wonder if he gave a cash donation to the church, as June would have wished to have done, or maybe he didn't care for the idea of strangers having a share of what was his?

[Holly Goodhead]

You making excuses again! 

Philip Wilson was 'instructed; to burn the in the fire pit. If you think it's perfectly reasonable to burn your murdered parents clothing when they could have gone to charity, then vote yes. It's quite simple but make sure that you're not just choosing the the option that makes him looks lest bad. 

It's there in black and white in AE's wit stats.

I think it's totally irrelevant and completely meaningless. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Even if you knew how philanthropic they were? I wonder if he gave a cash donation to the church, as June would have wished to have done, or maybe he didn't care for the idea of strangers having a share of what was his?

What sort of charitable donation did the relatives make from the Bamber estate? 

[Caroline]

It's there in black and white in AE's wit stats.

I think it's totally irrelevant and completely meaningless.

What is?