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Offline Caroline

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2020, 03:23:12 PM »
Out of interest why do you NEVER challenge JB’s supporters?   Just curious to know *sits back and waits for smartarse non-answer*

Just asked the same thing.

Offline The General

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2020, 03:30:01 PM »
Out of interest why do you NEVER challenge JB’s supporters?   Just curious to know *sits back and waits for smartarse non-answer*
I'm not challenging anyone. I'm trying to establish the phone movements. If I asked Holly she'd say 'what phone'?
This isn't a pissing contest, I'm trying to understand the mechanics of this most integral facet of the case - it doesn't cast aspersions on anything.
If the phone was moved by Bamber pre-killing spree, surely June or Nevill would have noticed it missing.
If it was faulty, or Bamber told them it was, then June wouldn't have been found supposedly trying to reach it, although I admit that it's a possibility on blind panic that she went for it out of pure muscle memory / terror.

Smart arsed enough?

Oh, I didn't answer the question; what would you like me to challenge someone about?
I'll say it again - there's no mystery here, just details that I'd like ironing out. If that occurred 8 years ago by some prophetic member on here, just link me up and I'll go back to the 8 piece jisaw I've been wrestling with since the lockdown started.
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Offline The General

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2020, 03:31:44 PM »
Perhaps he did unplug it from the wall and moved the phones after everyone was dead.
There ya go.
Is that the accepted explanation? You know waaaaaaay more that I. I'm being serious.
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Offline APRIL

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2020, 03:43:10 PM »
Why didn't June or Nevill notice the phone missing in the bedroom?
(In the White House Farm series this was shown by a big, fck off outline where the phone used to be!)
And why would June go for the phone if she had surely noticed it wasn't there when she went to bed? Did Bamber take it at the time  - maybe he saw June trying to get to it? I don't know......


I find it fascinating that so often, when we're asked to recall something like items on a shelf, or in a display, we recall how we've regularly known it to be and fail to note that something about it is different.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2020, 04:31:22 PM »
I'm not challenging anyone. I'm trying to establish the phone movements. If I asked Holly she'd say 'what phone'?
This isn't a pissing contest, I'm trying to understand the mechanics of this most integral facet of the case - it doesn't cast aspersions on anything.
If the phone was moved by Bamber pre-killing spree, surely June or Nevill would have noticed it missing.
If it was faulty, or Bamber told them it was, then June wouldn't have been found supposedly trying to reach it, although I admit that it's a possibility on blind panic that she went for it out of pure muscle memory / terror.

Smart arsed enough?

Oh, I didn't answer the question; what would you like me to challenge someone about?
I'll say it again - there's no mystery here, just details that I'd like ironing out. If that occurred 8 years ago by some prophetic member on here, just link me up and I'll go back to the 8 piece jisaw I've been wrestling with since the lockdown started.
What would I like you to challenge someone about?  Anything at all, but direct the challenge to G-Unit or Holly, there's plenty they post which can be challenged.  Just for a change.  I dare you. 
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Caroline

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2020, 04:40:09 PM »
There ya go.
Is that the accepted explanation? You know waaaaaaay more that I. I'm being serious.

That is MY explanation hence the 'perhaps'. No one actually knows but we have to apply a certain amount of common sense and speculation - it's inevitable. June walked around the bed - she either went for the phone OR she was still alive after Sheila was shot and went over to see her or further, she was trying to get to the other door. All of which negate the phone anyway.

Offline The General

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2020, 04:45:00 PM »
What would I like you to challenge someone about?  Anything at all, but direct the challenge to G-Unit or Holly, there's plenty they post which can be challenged.  Just for a change.  I dare you.
I will accept your challenge. I'm gonna give them a piece of my mind, although not too much, etc, ahahaha....[shakes fist at laptop]
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Offline Myster

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2020, 05:29:54 PM »
Perhaps he did unplug it from the wall and moved the phones after everyone was dead.
That's what I've always thought.  Before starting his killing spree, to prevent anyone upstairs or down phoning for help, Bamber removed the plugs of both phones (Statesman and Type 746) from a double adaptor which was inserted in a Master socket in the kitchen.  The extension socket in the main bedroom upstairs most likely plugged into this double adaptor. The Statesman kitchen phone which was normally plugged into the double adaptor too was later removed by Bamber and hidden under a pile of newspapers nearby when everyone was dead, and then replaced by the Type 746.

The latest BT socket and plug came out in 1981... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_telephone_socket

Double adaptor... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BT-Plug-to-Double-Telephone-Socket-Adaptor-/391611519372

BT Statesman phone... http://www.phone-pages.org.uk/stat.htm

GPO Type 746 phone... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPO_telephones#/media/File:746_telephone_in_ivory.JPG

The General's well-observed dust stain on the bedside cabinet below...

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2020, 05:32:27 PM »
I will accept your challenge. I'm gonna give them a piece of my mind, although not too much, etc, ahahaha....[shakes fist at laptop]
Good.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline G-Unit

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2020, 07:01:10 PM »
That's what I've always thought.  Before starting his killing spree, to prevent anyone upstairs or down phoning for help, Bamber removed the plugs of both phones (Statesman and Type 746) from a double adaptor which was inserted in a Master socket in the kitchen.  The extension socket in the main bedroom upstairs most likely plugged into this double adaptor. The Statesman kitchen phone which was normally plugged into the double adaptor too was later removed by Bamber and hidden under a pile of newspapers nearby when everyone was dead, and then replaced by the Type 746.

The latest BT socket and plug came out in 1981... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_telephone_socket

Double adaptor... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BT-Plug-to-Double-Telephone-Socket-Adaptor-/391611519372

BT Statesman phone... http://www.phone-pages.org.uk/stat.htm

GPO Type 746 phone... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPO_telephones#/media/File:746_telephone_in_ivory.JPG

The General's well-observed dust stain on the bedside cabinet below...

On 5th August 1985 Mr Pike went to WHF and took away the cordless phone and the double adaptor from the kitchen. [w/s 19/9/85]

No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Caroline

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2020, 07:23:58 PM »
That's what I've always thought.  Before starting his killing spree, to prevent anyone upstairs or down phoning for help, Bamber removed the plugs of both phones (Statesman and Type 746) from a double adaptor which was inserted in a Master socket in the kitchen.  The extension socket in the main bedroom upstairs most likely plugged into this double adaptor. The Statesman kitchen phone which was normally plugged into the double adaptor too was later removed by Bamber and hidden under a pile of newspapers nearby when everyone was dead, and then replaced by the Type 746.

The latest BT socket and plug came out in 1981... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_telephone_socket

Double adaptor... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BT-Plug-to-Double-Telephone-Socket-Adaptor-/391611519372

BT Statesman phone... http://www.phone-pages.org.uk/stat.htm

GPO Type 746 phone... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPO_telephones#/media/File:746_telephone_in_ivory.JPG

The General's well-observed dust stain on the bedside cabinet below...

Completely agree!

Where did you get those pictures? Never seen those before  8((()*/

Offline APRIL

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2020, 07:28:14 PM »
Completely agree!

Where did you get those pictures? Never seen those before  8((()*/


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Offline Caroline

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2020, 07:38:57 PM »
On 5th August 1985 Mr Pike went to WHF and took away the cordless phone and the double adaptor from the kitchen. [w/s 19/9/85]

So he unplugged it from the main socket!

Offline G-Unit

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2020, 08:46:02 PM »
So he unplugged it from the main socket!

By noon on 5th only one phone could be plugged in in the kitchen because there was no double adaptor. I mentioned this in reply to Myster;

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"Before starting his killing spree, to prevent anyone upstairs or down phoning for help, Bamber removed the plugs of both phones (Statesman and Type 746) from a double adaptor which was inserted in a Master socket in the kitchen"
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Caroline

Re: What Time Roughly Was The Bedroom Telephone Put In The Kitchen?
« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2020, 12:07:12 AM »
By noon on 5th only one phone could be plugged in in the kitchen because there was no double adaptor. I mentioned this in reply to Myster;

snip/

"Before starting his killing spree, to prevent anyone upstairs or down phoning for help, Bamber removed the plugs of both phones (Statesman and Type 746) from a double adaptor which was inserted in a Master socket in the kitchen"

I imagine they had more than one double adapter. They had a phone upstairs ordinarily so would need it.