New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[faithlilly]

‘Meanwhile, Mr Wolters said today that a single piece of evidence made him 100 per cent certain Madeleine was murdered. Earlier, he had said there was “a little bit of hope” that she might yet be found. It left a source close to parents Kate and Gerry saying they were considering sending an envoy to Germany to demand answers’.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11862187/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-b-attack-british-girl/

Bang goes the theory that the PJ didn’t investigate the attacks on young girls.

[barrier]

Meanwhile.



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-flown-22193032

Madeleine McCann suspect could be flown to Portugal to 'recreate night she vanished'
According to legal expert Rui Pereira the new suspect in the search for Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, could be asked to return to Portugal at the request of German prosecutors

Finishing with.


But he added: “Without a body, without witnesses, with guarantees under a State of Law such as a suspect’s defence rights and the right to remain silent, a miracle is needed.”

[faithlilly]

Meanwhile.



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-flown-22193032

Madeleine McCann suspect could be flown to Portugal to 'recreate night she vanished'
According to legal expert Rui Pereira the new suspect in the search for Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, could be asked to return to Portugal at the request of German prosecutors

Finishing with.


But he added: “Without a body, without witnesses, with guarantees under a State of Law such as a suspect’s defence rights and the right to remain silent, a miracle is needed.”

Just when you think that it can’t get any more ridiculous.

[Gertrude]

Meanwhile.



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-could-flown-22193032

Madeleine McCann suspect could be flown to Portugal to 'recreate night she vanished'
According to legal expert Rui Pereira the new suspect in the search for Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, could be asked to return to Portugal at the request of German prosecutors

Finishing with.


But he added: “Without a body, without witnesses, with guarantees under a State of Law such as a suspect’s defence rights and the right to remain silent, a miracle is needed.”

So other people using the word 'miracle' then. It's pretty much what I said on my last post, and what the German judge said in the podcast when the news first came out....which I did put some faith in as he knows the law inside out in Germany.

[Mr Gray]

 

- Suspect saying nothing, according to the Times/Mirror.   He would have to be charged with something.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-will-refuse-22192488

'According to the newspaper, Brueckner's lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said: "Mr B is remaining silent on the allegation at this time on the advice of his defence counsel. This is quite common in criminal proceedings.

"It is the duty of the state to prove that a suspect committed a crime. No accused person has to prove his innocence to the investigating authorities."

According to German law an indictment/charge needs 4 things;

“a) the identity of the accused;
b) the facts of the offence with which he is charged,
c) the time and place of its commission;
d) the legal elements of the offence and the applicable provisions.”

Excerpt From: Bohlander, Michael. “Principles of German Criminal Procedure.”

   It seems a very long shot to be able to establish such facts from a witness appeal, they already have some testimony of an alleged confession but that could easily be dismissed. Unless he had an accomplice or someone that saw what he allegedly did in 5a, how could they prove it to a reasonable standard for a charge?. Then that all has to fit into the short time window of that night IMO.

Might be best to wait until you have all the pieces before trying to complete the jigsaw... Without all the pieces it makes your posts pointless imo.

[G-Unit]

Please don't be any sillier about this non-issue than is absolutely necessary.  I am surprised at you for advocating another media circus to be endured for Madeleine's family who probably haven't been able to bury Gerry's mother and the granny who never gave up hope on Madeleine.

I don't think it would be appropriate or necessary for Kate and Gerry to go to Germany.  Recent changes to the prosecutor's media statements suggest to me that someone somewhere has already had a quiet word.

The media circus is in full flow in case you hadn't noticed. Who suggested an envoy should be sent to demand answers from the German police? That was a very silly suggestion imo.

[Gertrude]

Might be best to wait until you have all the pieces before trying to complete the jigsaw... Without all the pieces it makes your posts pointless imo.

IMO they are not pointless. It just clarifies they are an extremely long way away from being able to prove he was in 5a and what he is supposed to have done. They may never complete the 'jigsaw' and that is the reason for the unprecedented type of appeal IMO.

[Mr Gray]

IMO they are not pointless. It just clarifies they are an extremely long way away from being able to prove he was in 5a and what he is supposed to have done. They may never complete the 'jigsaw' and that is the reason for the unprecedented type of appeal IMO.

as we dont know exactly what they have it clarifies nothing...whats the piece of evidence that convinces the german police maddie is dead.

The only interesting point is taht no one has to prove their innocence in Germany...shame that doesnt apply in portugal.

[Wonderfulspam]

Just when you think that it can’t get any more ridiculous.

It's been said before that Tannerman & Smithman could be the same person.

I'd like to see the reconstruction of Brueckner popping in to the hairdressers between 9.15 & 10.00.

Maybe he left Maddie in his camper van whilst he had a quick trim.

[Gertrude]

as we dont know exactly what they have it clarifies nothing...whats the piece of evidence that convoinces the german police maddie is dead.

The only interesting point is taht no one has to prove their innocence in Germany...shame that doesnt apply in portugal.

 As I keep saying, we do know the level of evidence can't be compelling or he would have been charged.  None of it can prove to a reasonable standard what he is supposed to have done or when...or charges would be brought.
 If they did have evidence M is dead it can't be something that ties it to him specifically ( see above).

[kizzy]

I think the choir is in three parts and I don't think it is too difficult in retrospect to work out why the Brits were doing digging up parts of Luz in 2014 with the full cooperation of the Judicial Police.

Although I do think the Germans had jumped the gun a bit ...
Madeleine McCann case: 'Huge mistake' to notify suspect he was person of interest
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18517311.madeleine-mccann-case-huge-mistake-notify-suspect-person-interest/


By the way when enjoying the 'lark' please take a moment to remember Madeleine and anyone else who were victims of a predatory paedophile or serious sexual assault in the Algarve before and after Madeleine's disappearance.


Edited to add link

Why do you try and twist what I post?

Who said I was enjoying it - more what the hell are they playing at.

I do remember Maddie - you should know that by now. B

[Mr Gray]

As I keep saying, we do know the level of evidence can't be compelling or he would have been charged.  None of it can prove to a reasonable standard what he is supposed to have done or when...or charges would be brought.
 If they did have evidence M is dead it can't be something that ties it to him specifically ( see above).

So you accept there may be evidence against him but not enough to charge... We don't know what that evidence is.  If they do have evidence Maddie is dead thst would be a major breakthrough in itself

[Gertrude]

So you accept there may be evidence against him but not enough to charge... We don't know what that evidence is.  If they do have evidence Maddie is dead thst would be a major breakthrough in itself

Of course I accept there is evidence but only enough for a suspicion to investigate him. In German law they can open an investigation based on suspicion that arrives from the prosecutor's experience in other cases. and lo and behold the Prosecutor has confirmed this is what they have done.

'Asked about saying Madeleine was quickly killed, he added: “This was only a personal statement. I have no facts for this.

"That was only my private opinion and speculation.

"It was only a personal... without facts.

"I don’t know everything.

“I said, ‘I believe because of other cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime and then they killed’.

“That it is what happened in other cases and I believe this is a typical case but there are no facts for this. It is only my private view.”'

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-may-still-alive-22189090

[Wonderfulspam]

I think the choir is in three parts and I don't think it is too difficult in retrospect to work out why the Brits were doing digging up parts of Luz in 2014 with the full cooperation of the Judicial Police.

Although I do think the Germans had jumped the gun a bit ...
Madeleine McCann case: 'Huge mistake' to notify suspect he was person of interest
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18517311.madeleine-mccann-case-huge-mistake-notify-suspect-person-interest/


By the way when enjoying the 'lark' please take a moment to remember Madeleine and anyone else who were victims of a predatory paedophile or serious sexual assault in the Algarve before and after Madeleine's disappearance.


Edited to add link

Was Madeleine the victim of a predatory paedophile then?

How do you know that exactly?

[Mr Gray]

Of course I accept there is evidence but only enough for a suspicion to investigate him. In German law they can open an investigation based on suspicion that arrives from the prosecutor's experience in other cases. and lo and behold the Prosecutor has confirmed this is what they have done.

'Asked about saying Madeleine was quickly killed, he added: “This was only a personal statement. I have no facts for this.

"That was only my private opinion and speculation.

"It was only a personal... without facts.

"I don’t know everything.

“I said, ‘I believe because of other cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime and then they killed’.

“That it is what happened in other cases and I believe this is a typical case but there are no facts for this. It is only my private view.”'

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-may-still-alive-22189090

They may well have more evidence than just a, suspicion....but not enough to charge him... We don't know