New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Miss Taken Identity]

They can’t ALL be mistaken on the times.

Especially when they’d all agreed to do half hourly checks.

How were they supposed to check ever half hour without knowing the time?

Mistaken/ telling lies/ misdirecting the truth call it what you like. Here is the thing: Initial claims were to tell the UK press via the media they contacted were the couples checked the children every 30 minutes- what is in your head when you hear that?  I was of the impression they looked in non the children as they slept- No, it wasn't physical checks it was 'listening at the door'.

Now, this is the awkward bit- never explained - On the evening Little Maddie disappeared there was an exception to this 'rule'- the 'time line 'changed.

Not only did other tapas group 'check' The McCanns children, they had more frequent checks, and two looked in 'physical checks' on the children. AND in the smallest ever opportunity someone jemmied a shutter-climbed in a window and ran off with MBM via same small window without leaving ANY DNA.  remarkable eh? And all the while daddy is talking just outside the gate chatting- never saw or heard a thing. not even JT and the bogie man

and on another note not to be missed- when asked if others checked the McCanns children any other night they said No. That wasn't the agreement- they checked on their own children- DP had a child listening device.


So let us look at the timeline- they had two... They had no watches or phones to check the time- it was all guess work... They got to make it up to suit themselves-no independent witnesses with accurate times to corroborate.

[Eleanor]

With all due respect, Eleanor, when the 72-year-old lady was raped by CB, unless anyone knew where it took place it could have been absolutely anywhere.

Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  Remember that one.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Well according to the timeline, that they wrote themselves, Rachel Oldfield asked what the time was at 21.55 - an odd entry to make on a definitive timeline of events given the circumstances, but there you go.

Not sure who Rachel Oldfield is, I’m assuming she was one of the T9

I don’t see anything untoward in asking the time at 21:55?

All that shows is that they were still in the Tapas Bar

[The General]

I had thought of that too, but couldn't find the words too express it so clearly as you.   Having been discussed so much on the media, there could maybe be a wriggling out space for CB.

Hope we, and others, haven't given him a wriggling out space.    Very clever, if someone has engineered that !

It would appear that the German police had to make a strategic decision; run that risk of providing him with grounds for 'unfair' treatment (in the legal sense), but hope that the appeal for information garnered the corroboration they required. It's looking increasingly that the gamble, such as it is, has not borne fruit.
With the focus on the cars, the corroboration could only be DNA harvested from one of them, which hasn't transpired. There can be no other avenue IMO.

Now we do have the very real prospect of his legal team arguing the unfair angle.

[Brietta]

Thanks I read it - cheers... I think he must be blind because imo Ney looks more like GM than CB does!!

     In my opinion he is a ringer for Cristovao.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Did you miss the post where I explained to you exactly why your preoccupation with Clarence Mtchell and this event is totally wrong. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg602450#msg602450

This was a debate about the Media and the McCanns ... I wonder the loud mouths who went out of their way to make a show of themselves at it didn't ask for answers to your question.

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So far, so good. But once the debate was opened out to the audience by chairman Steve Hewlett, it went nowhere helpful. A vociferous group who have formed an organisation called The Madeleine Foundation showed a lamentable grasp of debating rules by interrupting speakers and shouting out a string of offensive comments about the McCanns and their PRs.

Their anger may have been sincere, but it became abundantly clear that they are infected with prejudice. Many of the claims they made - about money donated to the McCanns' fund, about payments to PRs, about the McCanns' actions and relationship with the police - were obviously based on the inaccurate accusations and innuendos published by so many newspapers.

However, reflecting on the debate on my journey home, I realised that they represented the authentic voice of so many British people, the Sun readers Kelvin had mentioned and probably the readers of all popular papers. It is not pretty.

Their unconcealed bile, their lack of compassion for the McCanns, their sanctimonious statements about the supposed parenting inadequacies of the McCanns, do not stem wholly from poor reporting.

Certainly, false stories have contributed to their fallacious arguments. But they were uninterested in the rational statements of Mitchell and McGuinness. They took no notice of the subtle arguments of Graef and Mills.

They were the equivalent of those mobs outside courts in murder trials, deaf to facts, cocooned from reality by their own self-righteous demagoguery. Their major aim, outlined in a "manifesto" circulated within the lecture theatre, is to see the McCanns prosecuted for "abandoning" their children.

The newspapers that have retailed nonsense about this case do have a lot to answer for. But then so do the people, do they not? What the debate never touched on was whether the media could, even eight months' on, play a positive role to counter the misinformation that appears now to have taken such a grip among the population.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2008/jan/31/themccannsdebatefrombanali


Smithman was a long time ago and unless you can make a connection between him and the German prime suspect Brueckner ... decidedly off topic on this thread.

Yes thank you.

There's nothing there though that suggests Smithman can't be GM or CB.

Smithman isn't "a long time ago". SY decided he was of central importance. Given what the German Police have said about CB and concrete evidence then it stands to reason that there could be a connection between Smithman and the German Sex Offender.... We must examine Smithman as a vital piece of the jigsaw.

[Brietta]

Yes thank you.

There's nothing there though that suggests Smithman can't be GM or CB.

Smithman isn't "a long time ago". SY decided he was of central importance. Given what the German Police have said about CB and concrete evidence then it stands to reason that there could be a connection between Smithman and the German Sex Offender.... We must examine Smithman as a vital piece of the jigsaw.

Does that mean you understand that neither 'Smithman' nor any other 'man' was the subject of this debate which took place prior to the archiving of Madeleine's case and correct me if I'm wrong prior to the date of the alleged harassment of the Smiths by McCann private detectives.

What steps did the Judicial Police take to publicise the Smith sighting.  I have asked you that before but don't remember your answer.

We don't need to 'examine' anything in relation to Brueckner.  That is something to be investigated by the appropriate authorities and to date Smithman does not appear to be one of their priorities and I think Mr Smith will be relieved at that.

[Miss Taken Identity]

It would appear that the German police had to make a strategic decision; run that risk of providing him with grounds for 'unfair' treatment (in the legal sense), but hope that the appeal for information garnered the corroboration they required. It's looking increasingly that the gamble, such as it is, has not borne fruit.
With the focus on the cars, the corroboration could only be DNA harvested from one of them, which hasn't transpired. There can be no other avenue IMO.

Now we do have the very real prospect of his legal team arguing the unfair angle.

Yes, that sounds about right-Freeman walking.

I have this uncomfortable feeling he does know something though- even if not directly involved. He is never going to divulge anything he might know- due to his mindset.  It is without question that if MBM was abducted by paedophile/s images would appear somewhere on the dark net. My guess is nothing has, which means only distributed  to very few die-hards or deleted.

Many police in many countries do share intelligence on these matters.

[Mr Gray]

Yes, that sounds about right-Freeman walking.

I have this uncomfortable feeling he does know something though- even if not directly involved. He is never going to divulge anything he might know- due to his mindset.  It is without question that if MBM was abducted by paedophile/s images would appear somewhere on the dark net. My guess is nothing has, which means only distributed  to very few die-hards or deleted.

Many police in many countries do share intelligence on these matters.

my guess is perhaps one of the images on the  memory stick found was from the dark web and featured maddie..
Not  a pleasant thought but it would offfer an explanation
 

[Miss Taken Identity]

Does that mean you understand that neither 'Smithman' nor any other 'man' was the subject of this debate which took place prior to the archiving of Madeleine's case and correct me if I'm wrong prior to the date of the alleged harassment of the Smiths by McCann private detectives.

What steps did the Judicial Police take to publicise the Smith sighting.  I have asked you that before but don't remember your answer.

We don't need to 'examine' anything in relation to Brueckner.  That is something to be investigated by the appropriate authorities and to date Smithman does not appear to be one of their priorities and I think Mr Smith will be relieved at that.

"What steps did the Judicial Police take to publicise the Smith sighting "

What makes you think they didn't in LUZ? Amaral was removed and the case was shelved- was there a point?

   The McCanns knew about him as well and kept quiet for years, selling the Tanneman ghost instead. The UK press well told to shut up as it was upsetting the 'couple' via legal threats.

[Miss Taken Identity]

my guess is perhaps one of the images on the  memory stick found was from the dark web and featured maddie..
Not  a pleasant thought but it would offfer an explanation

Yes Davel, that is quite possible- horrible thought as you say.

[Anthro]

I still think these words from Brückner to his ex-girlfriend on the evening of 2 May 2007, are profound: 'It's a horrible job but it's something I have to do and it will change my life. You won't be seeing me for a while.’

[Brietta]

The paperwork relates to the 2 rape crime reports, victim DM in Praia da Luz & victim HB in Praia da Rocha. Also the paperwork for the theft of vehicle fuel & disobedience.

Should have known you would be on it, Misty.

I thought it interesting that Portuguese media are giving so much attention to the Irish girl's rape.  I wonder how Felgueiras coped with passing on the information that the forensics from that attack had been discarded.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You can read the staff statements. They didn't lie. They just don't support what you assert they do. The timeline is far from clear and agreed.

I’ve looked at the Tapas Bar employees statements and there’s nothing there that says the group left at 9:30pm.

On the contrary, they said that at around (or after) 10pm Kate ran back screaming saying her child was missing; all the group jumped up and rushed out leaving just an elderly lady sat at the table (one of the grandmothers).

Have I missed something?

Because from what I’ve read all the times fit.

[jassi]

Yes, that sounds about right-Freeman walking.

I have this uncomfortable feeling he does know something though- even if not directly involved. He is never going to divulge anything he might know- due to his mindset.  It is without question that if MBM was abducted by paedophile/s images would appear somewhere on the dark net. My guess is nothing has, which means only distributed  to very few die-hards or deleted.

Many police in many countries do share intelligence on these matters.

Or no images taken in the first place.