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Offline Holly Goodhead

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4126 on: June 30, 2020, 11:04:13 AM »

Barrier, you inferred there was no mast at the OC by saying “where is this “said” mast?”

Brietta always, always makes good, constructive posts with reputable information.  That information came from none other than Hans Christian Woltor, the chief of police who has categorically stated that the mast is at the Ocean Club, and Christian Buerick received and made a call from there.

You’re now surmising he may have only had PAYG phones, but you don’t know that. He may have had a contract phone.

But even PAYG phones can be traced to its owner: and the German police have done that. They’ve confirmed that THAT phone belonged to HIM. It’s easy for intelligence to discover where a PAYG phone was bought, and like all criminals, they usually always get caught out — eventually.

Trying to suggest that “maybe” Christian Buecker very kindly gave someone HIS phone — who just so happened to use it outside the Ocean Club — actually makes him look MORE suspicious! But one would have to be incredibly naive to believe the word of a known liar, thief, burglar, rapist and paedophile. If you think for one second the police would believe that old chestnut, you’re sorely wrong.

Doesn’t matter, anyway...the police have far more damning evidence on him than just THAT!

They have proof that he killed Madeleine and they even know how.

They’re not going to tell the public what their proof is, they’re not stupid.

...in 2007, when Madeleine McCann went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, the iPhone was still a month away from going on sale. Most people carried basic mobile phones without touchscreens, internet connections and GPS chips.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/03/madeleine-mccann-data-could-investigators-gather-suspects-mobile/

The only way to pinpoint the location of a phone, therefore, was by triangulation. As it's name suggestions, triangulation uses three masts to pinpoint where the phone is.

Afaik there weren't three masts in PdL. There weren't any belonging to the Ocean Club complex either. Firstly because phone masts belong to mobile phone companies and secondly because there was no complex.

Therefore, in my opinion, all that can be said is that a phone was used somewhere near Praia da Luz.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4127 on: June 30, 2020, 11:17:42 AM »
...in 2007, when Madeleine McCann went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, the iPhone was still a month away from going on sale. Most people carried basic mobile phones without touchscreens, internet connections and GPS chips.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/03/madeleine-mccann-data-could-investigators-gather-suspects-mobile/

The only way to pinpoint the location of a phone, therefore, was by triangulation. As it's name suggestions, triangulation uses three masts to pinpoint where the phone is.

Afaik there weren't three masts in PdL. There weren't any belonging to the Ocean Club complex either. Firstly because phone masts belong to mobile phone companies and secondly because there was no complex.

Therefore, in my opinion, all that can be said is that a phone was used somewhere near Praia da Luz.

its possible to use two masts but might not locate to such as small area...the more masts the better..its like  a venn diagram

We need to see what the Germans come up with...speculation based on little knowledge is a waste of time when hopefully we will get the definitive answer soon

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4128 on: June 30, 2020, 11:27:04 AM »
its possible to use two masts but might not locate to such as small area...the more masts the better..its like  a venn diagram

We need to see what the Germans come up with...speculation based on little knowledge is a waste of time when hopefully we will get the definitive answer soon

I totally agree, and repeating uninformed information from the press doesn't help matters. That's why I correct it.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4129 on: June 30, 2020, 11:34:55 AM »
I totally agree, and repeating uninformed information from the press doesn't help matters. That's why I correct it.

but your claim that ...all that can be said is the phone wsa used somewher near PDL is based on next to nothing...its uninformed information

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4130 on: June 30, 2020, 11:35:19 AM »
HCW is not chief of police. 

How can a PAYG phone be traced?

If anyone has damning evidence on CB then why hasn't he been charged?


Yes, a PAYG, like any other mobile phone can be traced; it’s always been that way, too.

All telephone companies keep track of all their phones they sell and if police want intelligence from then the company is obliged to share that data.

All phones, regardless of whether they’re PAYG work off masts

And every phone contains at least one unique serial number, and sometimes might contain two or three or even more. They have IMEI too. Then there’s the SIM identity too...

So, all the time, whether you are making a call or not, your phone is “talking’” to phone masts and broadcasting this information. It is an easy thing for the telephone company and therefore the police to match a phone call you make or a text message you send with the phone you used and its location.


Police can ALSO trace where that phone/SIM/both were bought.

When you buy a phone, even if you pay cash for it, almost certainly the cashier in the store will scan it, and also scan not just its UPC code, but also its unique IMEI/ESN number code, too. And even if they didn’t, the company that supplied the phones to that retailer has a record of the IMEIs of all the phones they sold to each and every store worldwide.

Of course, you also leave another trace every time you top your phone up with additional credit...

There’s another thing as well. If you leave a voice message there is a recording of your voice somewhere (BB watches more than people realise) and that can start to be matched against other voice recordings “on file’” at various intelligence  agencies which the police have privy to.

Another way of uncovering your identity is what else you used that phone for. What numbers did your phone number call? What numbers did you receive calls from? Which numbers did you send/receive text messages with? What types of websites did you visit? All the details of all your usage of that phone is stored and can be discovered by the police.

The police can even quickly do a data-filter search to find what other phones have followed you around! What other phones you have been close to, precisely when and how often...

Obviously, they’re only going to track/trace big criminals/suspects (such as CB) and people like, say, terrorists. But make no mistake: they can trace ANYONE. They’re not going to bother with some stupid troll, but if it is a serious matter such as suspected murder or a high-priority national security, then they can do all of this, and throw computing power at the problem like you wouldn’t believe.

So all this nonsense that CB could say it wasn’t his phone is utter rubbish.

He has left a trace whether he realises it or not.




I didn’t realise Hans Christian Wolton wasn’t chief of police, I wrongly thought he was. He certainly deserves to be one day — his determination and intelligence shines through!

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Offline misty

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4131 on: June 30, 2020, 11:40:42 AM »
...in 2007, when Madeleine McCann went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, the iPhone was still a month away from going on sale. Most people carried basic mobile phones without touchscreens, internet connections and GPS chips.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/03/madeleine-mccann-data-could-investigators-gather-suspects-mobile/

The only way to pinpoint the location of a phone, therefore, was by triangulation. As it's name suggestions, triangulation uses three masts to pinpoint where the phone is.

Afaik there weren't three masts in PdL. There weren't any belonging to the Ocean Club complex either. Firstly because phone masts belong to mobile phone companies and secondly because there was no complex.

Therefore, in my opinion, all that can be said is that a phone was used somewhere near Praia da Luz.

Again, you have made the same mistake. I-Phones were not the first devices to include GPS. Here are some mobiles on sale in 2006 which had integrated GPS, most notably Nokia N95.
https://www.mobilegazette.com/retro-2006-13x07x11.htm

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4132 on: June 30, 2020, 11:50:26 AM »
Is there any reason to believe that in May 2007 other masts existed besides the two identified as follows:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11622.msg600874#msg600874

There quite possibly were.

Even data isn’t updated online as frequently as some people assume, but authorities have it.

It’s like, say, Google Earth. If you put your postcode in and look at your house you may see a photo that’s maybe two years old, but they have satellites scanning images all the time, including cars updating ground images. But they only update them online every so many years.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4133 on: June 30, 2020, 11:53:41 AM »
but your claim that ...all that can be said is the phone wsa used somewher near PDL is based on next to nothing...its uninformed information

I'm more informed than the press are, it seems. A mast belonging to the Ocean Club complex is a rubbish statement, as is the idea of a 'complex'.
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Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4134 on: June 30, 2020, 12:08:42 PM »
Again, you have made the same mistake. I-Phones were not the first devices to include GPS. Here are some mobiles on sale in 2006 which had integrated GPS, most notably Nokia N95.
https://www.mobilegazette.com/retro-2006-13x07x11.htm

Regarding GPS, does each ping contain the GPS location, or is it only something that can be used in real time?
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4135 on: June 30, 2020, 12:09:34 PM »
HCW is not chief of police. 

How can a PAYG phone be traced?

If anyone has damning evidence on CB then why hasn't he been charged?


I forgot to answer your other question...

Why haven’t the police charged CB yet?

I’m not a PO so can’t answer that, but speaking to friends of mine who are in that line of work it’s clear that HCW wants to throw the book at him. He’s also dealing with a very cunning psychopath who is the epitome of evil. He relishes in sadism and torture, and he appears bright. He knows he’s scuppered, and will now derive pleasure by keeping whatever power he has. Like Ian Brady who refused to say where he buried the little boy he raped and murdered. It made him feel powerful and he gained pleasure by keeping the boy’s mother in permanent pain.

So as he’s a hard nut to crack,  HCW has to outsmart him and play hs cards carefully

And he also needs help, hence his appeals.

It doesn’t help that the Portuguese police are so unhelpful and inept...maybe they don’t like to be embarrassed by the fact they had CB under their nose...

And....he needs to find Maddie’s body.

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4136 on: June 30, 2020, 12:20:25 PM »
Yet still no charges, weird innit.  OG don't agree, still a missing persons case, best you liaise the two forces,they obviously are missing a linkman.


Who said OG don’t agree?

They haven’t said anything.

Police forces work differently. You’ve got THREE forces, two of whom are useless IMO, and Scotland Yard seem to be leaving all the donkey work to the Germans. They didn’t even forward the two letters HCW sent to the McCann’s via Scotland Yard!

SY won’t say Madeleine is dead until they have a body, so they’re just keeping quiet. But you can bet your life they know much, much more than the public do. On top of that, as CB is a German National, there isn’t that much they can do our end.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4137 on: June 30, 2020, 12:25:03 PM »
So we're not longer reliant upon the Met to solve the case? That's probably a good thing after last night's airing of 'Murder in the car park'.


The Met Police dumbed down years ago...

They take ANYONE now.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4138 on: June 30, 2020, 12:33:34 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/10/police-call-for-ban-on-anonymous-pay-as-you-go-phones


What they’ve omitted to say is that drug dealers use “burners”

They buy a cheap PAYG from, say, Tesco, give a false name and address if asked, pay about £10 in cash; use the phone for just ONE DAY, do their deals making several hundred, then smash the phone to bits and toss all the parts in different locations.

Then next day they buy another.

That’s why when someone wants drugs, say cannabis/cocaine, they have to phone a certain number and are told to wait for a text from a specific number, who then sends a text telling the buyer where to meet them to collect.
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Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4139 on: June 30, 2020, 12:35:27 PM »

Who said OG don’t agree?

They haven’t said anything.

Police forces work differently. You’ve got THREE forces, two of whom are useless IMO, and Scotland Yard seem to be leaving all the donkey work to the Germans. They didn’t even forward the two letters HCW sent to the McCann’s via Scotland Yard!

SY won’t say Madeleine is dead until they have a body, so they’re just keeping quiet. But you can bet your life they know much, much more than the public do. On top of that, as CB is a German National, there isn’t that much they can do our end.

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