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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #75 on: June 03, 2020, 11:54:01 PM »
Like I asked before, explain how that all fits together then.

MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #76 on: June 03, 2020, 11:54:47 PM »
I would believe compelling evidence of kidnap and murder. I believe this suspect should be fully investigated. No stone should be left unturned. It’s not me that refuses to accept certain conclusions are possible.
Let’s start with the suspect’s phone call.  He received one call from out of town on the night of the disappearance which lasted for approximately 30 minutes.  The number is known but not who made the call.  What conclusions can we draw from this?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #77 on: June 03, 2020, 11:55:09 PM »
Madeleine McCann police 'have enough evidence to charge suspect with abduction and murder'
Christian Hoppe, director of Germany's National Crime Agency, said police think they have enough evidence to charge the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance with murdering her

By Jeremy Armstrong & Martin Fricker
21:49, 3 JUN 2020 UPDATED 22:11, 3 JUN 2020

Prosecutors in Germany have already begun building a strong case against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, a drifter with a record of burglary and offences against young girls.

The man, now 43, had been living a “transient” life in a camper van, and working in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

In the documentary Case Files XY Unsolved on German TV tonight, Christian Hoppe, director of the National Crime Agency, said German police believed they had almost enough evidence to charge him with Madeleine’s abduction and murder.

Herr Hoppe said that there may be some people associated with the suspect who were aware of his ­movements on the night Madeleine disappeared, and he appealed to them to come forward and “clear their conscience” now.

Police appealed to anyone in the resort at the time to fill “the final gaps” in the case, releasing photos of the man’s camper van and Jaguar car and details of a phone call he made on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Police had been aware of his ­presence in the resort and had been building up a case against him since parents Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal for information on German TV in October, 2013.

The suspect had faced sexual and drug-dealing charges in Germany before he arrived in Portugal.

He had also been involved in theft and burglary in the country, where he lived from 1995 to 2007, when he returned to Germany.

Police are unclear if the suspected motive was a simple burglary and he had found Madeleine in the flat after he had broken in, or if he went with the intention to abduct her.

Police revealed the man’s Portuguese-registered phone was in the resort the night Madeleine vanished.

He received a half-hour phone call from another Portuguese number an hour before Madeleine was last seen.

His number, +351 912730680, and the caller’s number, +351 916510683, were released. The caller is not a suspect but is a “crucial witness” police now want to trace.

The programme revealed details of properties the suspect used in the area, one an apartment between Praia da Luz and Lagos, the other an empty property around 15km from Lagos.

Viewers were asked to send police any holiday snaps or video which could help their inquiries. In a reconstruction, Kate and Gerry McCann relived the moment they realised Madeleine was gone.

Kate told the programme, a version of Crimewatch, how they had returned from a tapas restaurant to find ­Madeleine’s bed empty.

She said: “It just seemed a very calm and peaceful place when we arrived there. When I went into her bedroom, I could not see her.

“I thought she was in our bedroom but she was not there either. The curtain went ‘pssh’ and I just remember seeing that the window had been opened.”

Gerry said from that moment they knew the “worst thing imaginable” had happened.

Scotland Yard Detective Chief Insp Mark Cranwell said the suspect had lived a “transient lifestyle” living in his camper van for “days on end”.

Police released photos of the man’s 1980s VW camper and Jaguar XJR-6, both were in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The Jaguar was re-registered in Germany to another person the day after Madeleine disappeared.

 The vehicles have since been seized in Germany and checked for forensic clues linking them to Madeleine.

The suspect had rented a ramshackle farm building from a British man two miles from the resort and had made money selling cars.

Former neighbours told Sky News he “disappeared without a word” from the Algarve farmhouse in 2006.

One said: “He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He went back to Germany at one stage and moved another German guy in to look after it, then came back and threw him out on the street.

“He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane. And then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word.

"I think he left some rent unpaid. About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, ­absolutely vile.

“We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing.”

German authorities are treating their investigation as a murder inquiry, while Scotland Yard say it is still a missing person case.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy said: “It’s now 13 years since Madeleine went missing. Today is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation.”

Kate and Gerry welcomed the breakthrough, saying: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We need to find peace.”

Scotland Yard said they were “aware” of the man before getting a tip-off in May 2017, but he had never previously been a suspect.

They worked alone on the tip for four months before agreeing to liaise with German colleagues.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cundy said since then “a huge amount of work” had been done by the Met and German police.

“The outcome of that is that he is a suspect in the Met’s investigation.

"We will not be giving the name or the identity of this man, but I do recognise that some people will know this suspect.

"Somebody called his phone. We don’t know who that caller was.”

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading Operation Grange, issued a description of the suspect.

He said: “He is white, has short blond hair, possibly fair, about six foot in height with a slim build. In 2007 he was 30 and may have looked somewhere between 25 and early 30s.”

Appealing to anyone who personally knows the man, he added: “This individual is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past.

“Now is the time to come forward.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #78 on: June 03, 2020, 11:55:16 PM »
Clement Freud has got nothing to do with this latest news and you’re grasping at ever increasingly desperate straws.

Well, not really.  If you want to believe that The McCanns sold their daughter to a paedophile.  I can only wonder how much they got.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #79 on: June 03, 2020, 11:55:36 PM »
And what conclusions have you come as a result of today’s news that you believe are possible?

I’ve answered that in my posts already.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #80 on: June 03, 2020, 11:55:45 PM »
MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.
Where is the German child abuser suspect at this point?
« Last Edit: June 03, 2020, 11:57:50 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #81 on: June 03, 2020, 11:57:10 PM »
Is it worth pointing out that this an looks nothing like Martin Smith’s identification?
 

Blonde
30 but may look as young as 25
Six feet.


— Regarding the description of the individual who carried the child he states that: he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour.

So if it isn’t the Smith’s sighting then we have two individuals carrying a little girl similar to Madeleine in pyjamas with bare feet around PDL on the same night....and figure in Tannerman, who doesn’t match the latest description either, and that makes three.

What a farce.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #82 on: June 03, 2020, 11:57:15 PM »
I’ve answered that in my posts already.
No you haven’t drawn any conclusions.  You’ve hinted at stuff and talked alot about the McCanns friendship with Clement Freud.  What conclusions do you draw from this and the latest news?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #83 on: June 03, 2020, 11:58:35 PM »
MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.

Yet the description doesn’t fit...too young...too tall and too blond.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #84 on: June 03, 2020, 11:59:01 PM »
It took 9 years for OG to find him with all their millions. Amaral had five months and a limited budget...so probably not,

To find who?

Offline faithlilly

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #85 on: June 04, 2020, 12:01:03 AM »
Madeleine McCann police 'have enough evidence to charge suspect with abduction and murder'
Christian Hoppe, director of Germany's National Crime Agency, said police think they have enough evidence to charge the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance with murdering her

By Jeremy Armstrong & Martin Fricker
21:49, 3 JUN 2020 UPDATED 22:11, 3 JUN 2020

Prosecutors in Germany have already begun building a strong case against the main suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, a drifter with a record of burglary and offences against young girls.

The man, now 43, had been living a “transient” life in a camper van, and working in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday flat in the Algarve resort on May 3, 2007.

In the documentary Case Files XY Unsolved on German TV tonight, Christian Hoppe, director of the National Crime Agency, said German police believed they had almost enough evidence to charge him with Madeleine’s abduction and murder.

Herr Hoppe said that there may be some people associated with the suspect who were aware of his ­movements on the night Madeleine disappeared, and he appealed to them to come forward and “clear their conscience” now.

Police appealed to anyone in the resort at the time to fill “the final gaps” in the case, releasing photos of the man’s camper van and Jaguar car and details of a phone call he made on the night the three-year-old vanished.

Police had been aware of his ­presence in the resort and had been building up a case against him since parents Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal for information on German TV in October, 2013.

The suspect had faced sexual and drug-dealing charges in Germany before he arrived in Portugal.

He had also been involved in theft and burglary in the country, where he lived from 1995 to 2007, when he returned to Germany.

Police are unclear if the suspected motive was a simple burglary and he had found Madeleine in the flat after he had broken in, or if he went with the intention to abduct her.

Police revealed the man’s Portuguese-registered phone was in the resort the night Madeleine vanished.

He received a half-hour phone call from another Portuguese number an hour before Madeleine was last seen.

His number, +351 912730680, and the caller’s number, +351 916510683, were released. The caller is not a suspect but is a “crucial witness” police now want to trace.

The programme revealed details of properties the suspect used in the area, one an apartment between Praia da Luz and Lagos, the other an empty property around 15km from Lagos.

Viewers were asked to send police any holiday snaps or video which could help their inquiries. In a reconstruction, Kate and Gerry McCann relived the moment they realised Madeleine was gone.

Kate told the programme, a version of Crimewatch, how they had returned from a tapas restaurant to find ­Madeleine’s bed empty.

She said: “It just seemed a very calm and peaceful place when we arrived there. When I went into her bedroom, I could not see her.

“I thought she was in our bedroom but she was not there either. The curtain went ‘pssh’ and I just remember seeing that the window had been opened.”

Gerry said from that moment they knew the “worst thing imaginable” had happened.

Scotland Yard Detective Chief Insp Mark Cranwell said the suspect had lived a “transient lifestyle” living in his camper van for “days on end”.

Police released photos of the man’s 1980s VW camper and Jaguar XJR-6, both were in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The Jaguar was re-registered in Germany to another person the day after Madeleine disappeared.

 The vehicles have since been seized in Germany and checked for forensic clues linking them to Madeleine.

The suspect had rented a ramshackle farm building from a British man two miles from the resort and had made money selling cars.

Former neighbours told Sky News he “disappeared without a word” from the Algarve farmhouse in 2006.

One said: “He arrived in the mid-90s and rented the place from the English owner.

"He went back to Germany at one stage and moved another German guy in to look after it, then came back and threw him out on the street.

“He was always a bit angry, driving fast up and down the lane. And then one day, around 2006, he just disappeared without a word.

"I think he left some rent unpaid. About six months later I was asked to help clean up the place and it was disgusting, ­absolutely vile.

“We found a bin bag and inside were wigs and exotic clothing.”

German authorities are treating their investigation as a murder inquiry, while Scotland Yard say it is still a missing person case.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy said: “It’s now 13 years since Madeleine went missing. Today is a significant point in time for the Met’s investigation.”

Kate and Gerry welcomed the breakthrough, saying: “All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We need to find peace.”

Scotland Yard said they were “aware” of the man before getting a tip-off in May 2017, but he had never previously been a suspect.

They worked alone on the tip for four months before agreeing to liaise with German colleagues.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cundy said since then “a huge amount of work” had been done by the Met and German police.

“The outcome of that is that he is a suspect in the Met’s investigation.

"We will not be giving the name or the identity of this man, but I do recognise that some people will know this suspect.

"Somebody called his phone. We don’t know who that caller was.”

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell, who is leading Operation Grange, issued a description of the suspect.

He said: “He is white, has short blond hair, possibly fair, about six foot in height with a slim build. In 2007 he was 30 and may have looked somewhere between 25 and early 30s.”

Appealing to anyone who personally knows the man, he added: “This individual is in prison and we are conscious that some people may have been concerned about contacting police in the past.

“Now is the time to come forward.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-have-enough-22135055

Then charge him. I for one are desperate to see the evidence against him.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #86 on: June 04, 2020, 12:03:03 AM »
Yes you are probably right.  So what does that mean?
IMO it means there is evidence to suggest that it is not “incredible” to believe that an unsuspecting individual can form friendly relationships with suspected paedophiles.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2020, 01:00:23 AM by Brietta »

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #87 on: June 04, 2020, 12:03:45 AM »
Crass stupidity to suggest doctors could have relationships with paedophiles, for example? Let’s discuss the evidence available in the public domain and let’s not resort to insults and chaff. Thank you in advance.

So what are you actually suggesting?  Could we have a bit more than innuendo?

Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #88 on: June 04, 2020, 12:07:24 AM »
MM dies in 5A

Person unknown carries dead child to a waiting vehicle and is seen by Martin Smith and family.

Excuse Me.  Well down the road a bit.

Offline faithlilly

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #89 on: June 04, 2020, 12:10:36 AM »
Excuse Me.  Well down the road a bit.

And a bit shorter...and younger....and blonder....if the German is guilty.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?