New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Lace]

Now would be a good moment for OG to tell the German police that they have had Madeleine McCann under surveillance and were just waiting for the right moment to rescue her, wouldn't it? It doesn't look like her bloodline and Morroco had any part to play in her disappearance either. It seems to me like there were a lot of wild theories around.

I think Amaral's was the wildest.

[jassi]

I think Amaral's was the wildest.

Difficult to choose, though the bloodline one is pretty wacky

[faithlilly]

Goodness me, we seem to be getting somewhere.  The McCanns are Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  Thank Christ for that at least.

In law...of course.

[Eleanor]

In law...of course.

Is there anything else?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I certainly don't bother about your childish little concerns

You certainly always bother enough to reply to me, strange that.

[Gertrude]

Strange that some sceptics here are criticising the British and German police for their failings without also extending that criticism to the PT police.  Also, is this criticism a tacit acceptance that the McCanns didn't hide their child's body or is there still a belief that the police of three countries are conspiring together to protect the McCanns whilst at the same time drawing attention to their own failings?

The PJ looked at him at the time as a matter of procedure it would seem.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

So how can they be criticised? We don't know why they dismissed him as a suspect but they did look into his possible involvement. How is it fair to say they dropped the ball when German Police and Met police seem to have known about him for 3 years now and still haven't found any solid evidence he was involved? It seems to me the German and UK police are at the same stage as the PJ were years ago despite knowing MORE about the suspect than they did.

"The Metropolitan Police said they were still treating the case as a missing person investigation, and that they had no “definitive evidence” indicating whether Madeleine is alive or dead.

“As the years go on, we are realistic about what we might be dealing with but there is always hope,” said Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy.

“We are asking the public for help to prove or disprove whether this man was involved in Madeleine’s disappearance.”

“We retain an open mind about his involvement and we will follow the evidence wherever it may take us.”'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

 
 

[Vertigo Swirl]

The PJ looked at him at the time as a matter of procedure it would seem.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quizzed-nanny-22146406

So how can they be criticised? We don't know why they dismissed him as a suspect but they did look into his possible involvement. How is it fair to say they dropped the ball when German Police and Met police seem to have known about him for 3 years now and still haven't found any solid evidence he was involved? It seems to me the German and UK police are at the same stage as the PJ were years ago despite knowing MORE about the suspect than they did.

"The Metropolitan Police said they were still treating the case as a missing person investigation, and that they had no “definitive evidence” indicating whether Madeleine is alive or dead.

“As the years go on, we are realistic about what we might be dealing with but there is always hope,” said Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stuart Cundy.

“We are asking the public for help to prove or disprove whether this man was involved in Madeleine’s disappearance.”

“We retain an open mind about his involvement and we will follow the evidence wherever it may take us.”'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-christian-brueckner-portugal-prison-a9550721.html

 

So you think it's fair to criticise the British and German police but not the Portuguese police for not thoroughly investigating him, nor for arresting and charging him for the vicious torture and rape of a woman in PdL either?  OK, be a PJ apologist, if it suits you.

[Gertrude]

So you think it's fair to criticise the British and German police but not the Portuguese police for not thoroughly investigating him, nor for arresting and charging him for the vicious torture and rape of a woman in PdL either?  OK, be a PJ apologist, if it suits you.

I'm not an apologist, that seems rather rude. I am talking about the narrative in the UK press at the moment which seems to be German police = good, UK police = good. PJ = bad.  It is not actually based on the facts and is way too simplistic IMO. In Germany the police are getting criticism on how they handled things too. Why would the UK press put Germany and UK police in the good corner and PJ in the bad corner alone? It's just the UK media doing that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/madeleine-mccann-german-police-ignored-warnings-over-suspect-christian-bruckner#maincontent

"German media are focusing their attention on whether the federal police ignored warnings in 2013 from a local force that was on the trail of the Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner for a variety of crimes, including child abuse and drug dealing.

Investigators in Braunschweig who had been closely monitoring Brückner believed he should be viewed as a key suspect in the girl’s disappearance. But their alert was reportedly ignored by Germany’s Federal Criminal Office, the BKA, according to Der Spiegel, which has a team of 10 reporters working on the case.''

[Brietta]

Now would be a good moment for OG to tell the German police that they have had Madeleine McCann under surveillance and were just waiting for the right moment to rescue her, wouldn't it? It doesn't look like her bloodline and Morroco had any part to play in her disappearance either. It seems to me like there were a lot of wild theories around.

Wouldn't it be lovely if they were in the position to do just that but just think how disappointed some might be.

On the other hand we have no idea what might have happened to Madeleine or who is responsible.  But according to friends Christian Brueckner was involved in smuggling drugs into Portugal and who is to say he wasn't involved in smuggling a more valuable commodity than the usual proceeds of his burglaries, tourist passports ~ out.

What happened to the mantra of "keeping all options open" as Scotland Yard are doing.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm not an apologist, that seems rather rude. I am talking about the narrative in the UK press at the moment which seems to be German police = good, UK police = good. PJ = bad.  It is not actually based on the facts and is way too simplistic IMO. In Germany the police are getting criticism too on how they handled things too. Why would the UK press put Germany and UK police in the good corner and PJ in the bad corner alone? It's just the UK media doing that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/madeleine-mccann-german-police-ignored-warnings-over-suspect-christian-bruckner#maincontent

"German media are focusing their attention on whether the federal police ignored warnings in 2013 from a local force that was on the trail of the Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner for a variety of crimes, including child abuse and drug dealing.

Investigators in Braunschweig who had been closely monitoring Brückner believed he should be viewed as a key suspect in the girl’s disappearance. But their alert was reportedly ignored by Germany’s Federal Criminal Office, the BKA, according to Der Spiegel, which has a team of 10 reporters working on the case.''

I posted an article from the UK press yesterday which raised questions about Operation Grange;s handling of the case also, so I think you may be mistaken.  But consider - if the PJ had done their job properly in the first place there would have been no need for Operation Grange and no need for the German police's involvement either.

[Gertrude]

I posted an article from the UK press yesterday which raised questions about Operation Grange;s handling of the case also, so I think you may be mistaken.  But consider - if the PJ had done their job properly in the first place there would have been no need for Operation Grange and no need for the German police's involvement either.

Shouldn't that have an 'in your opinion' with it? The PJ could only ever work with the evidence they had IMO. Bruckner was exposed as the rapist of the 72 year old woman after a Portuguese cold case team linked the testimony of two friends who stole a video camera from him with the rape on it. Those friends inadvertently removed the key evidence, you can't blame the Police when that happens. Sometimes evidence comes to light years later or why else would there be appeals such as the German one?

[kizzy]

So you think it's fair to criticise the British and German police but not the Portuguese police for not thoroughly investigating him, nor for arresting and charging him for the vicious torture and rape of a woman in PdL either?  OK, be a PJ apologist, if it suits you.

SY spent 12 million then doing what - they should have thoroughly investigated him 3 year ago doncha think

your post seems to be apologist for that,

[Vertigo Swirl]

Shouldn't that have an 'in your opinion' with it? The PJ could only ever work with the evidence they had IMO. Bruckner was exposed as the rapist of the 72 year old woman after a Portuguese cold case team linked the testimony of two friends who stole a video camera from him with the rape on it. Those friends inadvertently removed the key evidence, you can't blame the Police when that happens. Sometimes evidence comes to light years later or why else would there be appeals such as the German one?

No it's a statement of fact.  If the PJ had done their job properly and found out who took Madeleine and brought charges in the initial investigation that resulted in a conviction then there would have been no need for Op Grange or German police involvement.

[Vertigo Swirl]

SY spent 12 million then doing what - they should have thoroughly investigated him 3 year ago doncha think

your post seems to be apologist for that,

Then you have completely misinterpreted my post.  Perhaps you should re-read it and point to the bit where I declare Op Grange to be above criticism?  I look forward to your response.

[kizzy]

I posted an article from the UK press yesterday which raised questions about Operation Grange;s handling of the case also, so I think you may be mistaken.  But consider - if the PJ had done their job properly in the first place there would have been no need for Operation Grange and no need for the German police's involvement either.

If the mccs had done there job properly Maddie would be here today.