New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Angelo222]

We don't actually Know anything.  But there would still have been a body to dispose of.

I am saying nothing about the German Geezer.  It is beginning to look as though The German Judiciary are as clueless as The PJ.

And that applies to Op Grange too imo.

[Angelo222]

I think he has a cheek criticising the Germans when he doesn't know what evidence they have.

He says "without a body, it is very likely somebody took Madeleine away and is still keeping her alive." What about a body which wasn't found?

Also; “If it wasn’t detected in the first year then it’s going to be very difficult to detect after that, unless you’ve got some sort of hard evidence – i.e. – forensic evidence or identifications that are going to stand up."  Why then did he get involved two years after the event, I wonder?

As to the 'leads' he pursued; they were very tenuous in my opinion.

There is a professional jealousy between these competing police organisations who all want to be the one to solve this case. The spirit of cooperation is for the public's benefit but behind closed doors it is very different.

[Eleanor]

And that applies to Op Grange too imo.

I don't really care.  I just believe in Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

[G-Unit]

We don't actually Know anything.  But there would still have been a body to dispose of.

I am saying nothing about the German Geezer.  It is beginning to look as though The German Judiciary are as clueless as The PJ.

At least now we're learning that there are differences of opinion.

The Germans are talking murder.
The UK are still talking 'missing'.
The PJ are saying nothing, but the Germans think they still suspect the McCanns.

Hopefully we will no longer see posts telling us that two police forces are working harmoniously on the same theory.
That can no longer be said with any confidence in my opinion. 

[Eleanor]

At least now we're learning that there are differences of opinion.

The Germans are talking murder.
The UK are still talking 'missing'.
The PJ are saying nothing, but the Germans think they still suspect the McCanns.

Hopefully we will no longer see posts telling us that two police forces are working harmoniously on the same theory.
That can no longer be said with any confidence in my opinion.

I am still working on Missing.  If no one minds.  There is still nothing to prove me wrong.

[jassi]

At least now we're learning that there are differences of opinion.

The Germans are talking murder.
The UK are still talking 'missing'.
The PJ are saying nothing, but the Germans think they still suspect the McCanns.

Hopefully we will no longer see posts telling us that two police forces are working harmoniously on the same theory.
That can no longer be said with any confidence in my opinion.

And the Germans are blaming the Portuguese for dragging their feet, whereas the Portuguese are saying that the Germans haven't requested ant assistance.

[Robittybob1]

we haven't made much progress in the 13 years, have we?

[jassi]

we haven't made much progress in the 13 years, have we?

That's right.
Plenty of activity but no progress

[Robittybob1]

That's right.
Plenty of activity but no progress

It feels like I'm reading the same stuff as I did 5 years ago.

[Eleanor]

It feels like I'm reading the same stuff as I did 5 years ago.

Thirteen Years in my case.  But onwards and upwards.  Still no proof that Madeleine is dead.

[Myster]

Further info and a podcast to while away your time...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1294685/madeleine-mccann-suspect-german-police-investigation-third-vehicle

https://www.facebook.com/cnninternational/videos/german-prosecutors-say-they-have-new-evidence-in-madeleine-mccann-case-but-not-e/261732008268201/

https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2020/jun/12/how-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-became-a-national-obsession-podcast

[Gertrude]

I thought this was interesting re. German law. There are 3 stages of criminal proceedings. They must be at stage one with Bruckner as he hasn't been charged. This bit stood out to me...

'The aim of the investigation is to establish whether or not the suspicion against you is justified.' , so technically at this stage everything is only a suspicion?

'Investigation (Ermittlungsverfahren): The prosecuting authorities (either the public prosecutor or the police) will start an investigation if they suspect you of a criminal offence. The aim of the investigation is to establish whether or not the suspicion against you is justified. In order to conduct their investigation they may take a variety of measures, including searching your home. When the investigation is complete, the public prosecutor will decide whether to discontinue the proceedings on lack of suspicion or whether to charge you.

(Zwischenverfahren): In the intermediate proceedings a court assesses the charge and decides whether or not the prosecution should proceed. If the court believes that there is enough evidence to make a conviction likely, it will open the main proceedings.

Main proceedings (Hauptverfahren): In the main proceedings, the court prepares and conducts the trial. The court tests the charge at an oral hearing on the basis of the evidence available (eyewitnesses, documents, etc.). You will also be given the opportunity to tell the court your version of events and to comment on the allegations. If you are found to have committed the offence, you will be convicted. If not, you will be acquitted. You can appeal against a judgment within certain time‑limits. In a full appeal (Berufsverfahren), the main proceedings are repeated before a higher court. In review proceedings (Revisionsverfahren), the judgment is checked only for legal defects.'

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-de-en.do?member=1

[Mr Gray]

I thought this was interesting re. German law. There are 3 stages of criminal proceedings. They must be at stage one with Bruckner as he hasn't been charged. This bit stood out to me...

'The aim of the investigation is to establish whether or not the suspicion against you is justified.' , so technically at this stage everything is only a suspicion?

'Investigation (Ermittlungsverfahren): The prosecuting authorities (either the public prosecutor or the police) will start an investigation if they suspect you of a criminal offence. The aim of the investigation is to establish whether or not the suspicion against you is justified. In order to conduct their investigation they may take a variety of measures, including searching your home. When the investigation is complete, the public prosecutor will decide whether to discontinue the proceedings on lack of suspicion or whether to charge you.

(Zwischenverfahren): In the intermediate proceedings a court assesses the charge and decides whether or not the prosecution should proceed. If the court believes that there is enough evidence to make a conviction likely, it will open the main proceedings.

Main proceedings (Hauptverfahren): In the main proceedings, the court prepares and conducts the trial. The court tests the charge at an oral hearing on the basis of the evidence available (eyewitnesses, documents, etc.). You will also be given the opportunity to tell the court your version of events and to comment on the allegations. If you are found to have committed the offence, you will be convicted. If not, you will be acquitted. You can appeal against a judgment within certain time‑limits. In a full appeal (Berufsverfahren), the main proceedings are repeated before a higher court. In review proceedings (Revisionsverfahren), the judgment is checked only for legal defects.'

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_defendants_in_criminal_proceedings_-169-de-en.do?member=1

We dont know what evidence they have but from what they are saying it suggest they have some.

The police have said they don't want to question Bruickner yet until they have finished their preliminary investigations. The reason being that if they question him they have to release to his team everything they have. I would say that suggests they have some information/evidence they do not wish him to see. i wonder what that is.

[Lace]

We dont know what evidence they have but from what they are saying it suggest they have some.

The police have said they don't want to question Bruickner yet until they have finished their preliminary investigations. The reason being that if they question him they have to release to his team everything they have. I would say that suggests they have some information/evidence they do not wish him to see. i wonder what that is.

The McCann's are hanging onto the hope that Madeleine is alive,  so whatever they told the McCann's they can't be certain that Madeleine is dead even if they say she is.

[G-Unit]

There is a professional jealousy between these competing police organisations who all want to be the one to solve this case. The spirit of cooperation is for the public's benefit but behind closed doors it is very different.

Even within National police forces there's competition; remember the reaction of Surrey police to Colin Sutton when he suggested that Levi Ballfield might have killed Milly Dowler?