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Offline Icanhandlethetruth

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1995 on: June 13, 2020, 11:15:42 PM »
Whilst I think Herr Brueckner is a credible suspect in this case and should be investigated fully I can't help but feel the timing of the German authorities in this matter could at best be described as opportune. A few days before he is due a parole hearing the authorities decide to release the information that they suspect he was involved in the murder of Madeline McCann. No charges are laid before him, only speculation that he was involved. Currently he is only serving a sentence for drug offences as his conviction for the rape in 2005 is held in abeyance due to the appeal process in Germany. IMO I think the authorities feared he may have been granted parole and then would disappear underground. What better way to prevent his release but to link his name publicly worldwide with the most famous unsolved crime in the world, No parole board in the world would grant parole to anyone in such circumstances. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were to emerge that the evidence the German prosecutor is acting on is the three year old bar room tip off and not new evidence at all. But as I say, IMO

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1996 on: June 13, 2020, 11:30:27 PM »
What do you mean I didn’t find it? I posted the exact quote! My point is that a PR man should not receive private briefings during an active criminal investigation. If the CEOP has evidence of stranger abduction they should share that with the Police not a PR consultant and I wrote (email) at the time to tell them that.

For future reference; the content is nothing without the provision of a source.  You did not do that.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1997 on: June 13, 2020, 11:34:27 PM »
I don’t think he is trying to prove anything. As an experienced criminologist with all the credentials, Heri puts relevant information to the fore to be considered by the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance.


I’m surprised you can say that with a straight face.

If an amateur sleuth’s theories are guiding OG’s investigation then they’re in more trouble than we thought.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1998 on: June 13, 2020, 11:37:09 PM »
I seem to recall Jim Gamble admitting at one point that he got too close to the McCanns.

Despite it being off topic ~ I know you will have a source for that or else you would not have posted it; please share with the forum.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #1999 on: June 13, 2020, 11:41:47 PM »
For future reference; the content is nothing without the provision of a source.  You did not do that.

Excuse me - but I stated that it was reported in the UK news media. The date of the LSE event was January 2008. It was widely reported in the mainstream media (TV and all major newspapers in the UK).

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2000 on: June 13, 2020, 11:43:47 PM »
In an on-going criminal investigation any evidence (of stranger abduction) that the CEOP had (not the Police) should have been handed over to the Police and not a PR consultant.

If the German sex offender had a PR consultant wouldn't you be horrified if professional bodies shared possible evidential information with him?

In 2008 there was no ongoing criminal investigation.  Neither the Brits nor the Portuguese were looking for Madeleine ... only her parents were doing that.

The German prime suspect is in a German jail at the moment serving time for a heinous crime.  Your comparison with Madeleine's parents is risible.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2001 on: June 13, 2020, 11:50:36 PM »
Not so. He claimed he had private briefings and in these he was told that the CEOP believed it was a case of "stranger abduction" (therby implying the parents weren't involved.

Here's his exact words:

"I've also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre, before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it."

If the CEOP did give CM private briefings on information regarding an on-going criminal investigation then they must have had some evidence to base it on. Their information should therefore have been shared with the Police not a PR consultant!! This would cause huge prejudicial legal problems if a case went to trial.

The first time Clarence Mitchell went out there was when he was sent by HM Government, so of course he was officially briefed ... he wasn't in the McCanns employ.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2002 on: June 14, 2020, 12:14:21 AM »
In 2008 there was no ongoing criminal investigation.  Neither the Brits nor the Portuguese were looking for Madeleine ... only her parents were doing that.

The German prime suspect is in a German jail at the moment serving time for a heinous crime.  Your comparison with Madeleine's parents is risible.

You're making the same error as DaveL. CM's quote is not about the parents it's about CEOP evidence for stranger abduction. I'm not making "a comparison with Madeleine's parents".

I stand by my post. If any professional body had evidence of stranger abduction they should share it with the Police and not PR consultants. It really is that simple. Anything less creates a potential situation that is highly prejudicial, imo.

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2003 on: June 14, 2020, 02:20:14 AM »
Madeleine McCann may still be alive admits German prosecutor who said she was dead
Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Wolters admitted there was no “forensic evidence” to confirm Madeleine McCann was killed by German paedo Christian Brueckner

A top German prosecutor has admitted Madeleine McCann may still be alive – just days after cops told her parents they were “certain” she was dead.

In a startling U-turn, Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Wolters admitted there was no “forensic evidence” to confirm Madeleine's death.

He told the Sunday Mirror his previous claims about her “quick” death were “only personal opinion and speculation”.

He said: “We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be possible.

“I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.

“In Germany it’s more normal we investigate a murder in such a case, so it’s not so important. It’s more normal.”

Asked about saying Madeleine was killed quickly, he said: “That was private opinion and speculation... without facts. I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed.’”

Last night a friend of the McCanns hit out at Wolters for initially saying Madeleine was dead.

They raged: “You shouldn’t say it if you don’t know for a fact.

“They said from the outset they’re treating it as a murder investigation. They shouldn’t have been saying that unless they were damn sure.”

Mr Wolters says there is “90% ­evidence” that convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner was ­behind Madeleine’s ­disappearance – but not enough to charge him with

He added: “I have been a prosecutor 17 years and don’t think I will work on another case as big as this. It’s important we will solve the case."

Despite the German authorities’ stance, UK cops are still treating the investigation as a missing person inquiry.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-admits-22188523
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2004 on: June 14, 2020, 02:52:43 AM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann abduction showed off his campervan and chillingly boasted 'I can transport kids in this' months before her disappearance
Christian Brueckner allegedly said he could 'transport children' in his campervan
Said to have made comment in village of Foral, 40 miles from Praia da Luz
He is claimed to have said: 'Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you'
By ABUL TAHER FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

PUBLISHED: 22:07, 13 June 2020 | UPDATED: 23:36, 13 June 2020

The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann showed off his campervan just months before she disappeared and boasted: ‘I can transport children in this.’

Christian Brueckner allegedly made the comment to the father of a female friend who lived in the Portuguese village of Foral, about 40 miles from Praia da Luz, the resort from where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.

The 43-year-old sex offender is claimed to have chillingly added: ‘Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you.’

The father – who asked to be referred to only as Dieter F – was visiting his social worker daughter, Nicole, at a villa where she helped to rehabilitate troubled German teenagers in the early part of 2007 when Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates.
Brueckner asked to refill the van with water and recharge the battery, as he had done several times before, and took the opportunity to show Dieter inside.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’

At the time, Dieter thought Brueckner was bragging, but now fears he was outlining his future evil plan. ‘I believe he kidnapped Maddie and brought her out of Portugal in his big van,’ he said.

Dieter said his daughter knew Brueckner in the mid-2000s, but contrary to reports was never romantically involved with him. He was, however, concerned during his visit in early 2007 that Brueckner had designs on Nicole, now 43.

‘At the time, I thought he was interested in my daughter, he was a bad boy. I felt, as a father, my daughter was not safe with such a man,’ he said.

Nicole met Brueckner in 2006 and he visited her at Foral about half a dozen times – either driving the Winnebago or his dark-coloured Jaguar – until she returned to Germany in 2010.

Dieter hopes that by speaking out, other witnesses may go to the police. He is haunted by how close Brueckner came to his daughter and his granddaughter, who was six years old in 2007 and, like Madeleine, had blonde hair.

‘I want to kill Brueckner. My daughter was in danger at the time, as was her daughter, because he is a paedophile,’ he said.

Dieter said Nicole had been surprised in 2012 when Brueckner arrived unexpectedly on her doorstep in Bavaria and alarmed four years later when he phoned her out of the blue and asked to stay with her because he did not want to be alone over Christmas. She declined.

He said Nicole had spoken to the German authorities about Brueckner and he would be happy to also talk to them.

Last week, The Mail on Sunday revealed that Brueckner had visited the villa in Foral in the months after Madeleine’s disappearance. Villagers this weekend expressed surprise that police had not conducted any searches.

One retired expat, who asked not to be named, said: ‘We know that Christian was in that house and around that village for many months. At the very least they should come and ask some questions about the movements in Foral.’

Dieter has seen police appeals for information about Brueckner’s white VW campervan with distinctive yellow trim and his Jaguar, but is puzzled why the authorities have not mentioned his larger Winnebago, which boasted a bedroom, living room and kitchen facilities.


Offline sadie

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2005 on: June 14, 2020, 03:42:07 AM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann abduction showed off his campervan and chillingly boasted 'I can transport kids in this' months before her disappearance
Christian Brueckner allegedly said he could 'transport children' in his campervan
Said to have made comment in village of Foral, 40 miles from Praia da Luz
He is claimed to have said: 'Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you'
By ABUL TAHER FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

PUBLISHED: 22:07, 13 June 2020 | UPDATED: 23:36, 13 June 2020

The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann showed off his campervan just months before she disappeared and boasted: ‘I can transport children in this.’

Christian Brueckner allegedly made the comment to the father of a female friend who lived in the Portuguese village of Foral, about 40 miles from Praia da Luz, the resort from where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.

The 43-year-old sex offender is claimed to have chillingly added: ‘Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you.’

The father – who asked to be referred to only as Dieter F – was visiting his social worker daughter, Nicole, at a villa where she helped to rehabilitate troubled German teenagers in the early part of 2007 when Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates.
Brueckner asked to refill the van with water and recharge the battery, as he had done several times before, and took the opportunity to show Dieter inside.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’

At the time, Dieter thought Brueckner was bragging, but now fears he was outlining his future evil plan. ‘I believe he kidnapped Maddie and brought her out of Portugal in his big van,’ he said.

Dieter said his daughter knew Brueckner in the mid-2000s, but contrary to reports was never romantically involved with him. He was, however, concerned during his visit in early 2007 that Brueckner had designs on Nicole, now 43.

‘At the time, I thought he was interested in my daughter, he was a bad boy. I felt, as a father, my daughter was not safe with such a man,’ he said.

Nicole met Brueckner in 2006 and he visited her at Foral about half a dozen times – either driving the Winnebago or his dark-coloured Jaguar – until she returned to Germany in 2010.

Dieter hopes that by speaking out, other witnesses may go to the police. He is haunted by how close Brueckner came to his daughter and his granddaughter, who was six years old in 2007 and, like Madeleine, had blonde hair.

‘I want to kill Brueckner. My daughter was in danger at the time, as was her daughter, because he is a paedophile,’ he said.

Dieter said Nicole had been surprised in 2012 when Brueckner arrived unexpectedly on her doorstep in Bavaria and alarmed four years later when he phoned her out of the blue and asked to stay with her because he did not want to be alone over Christmas. She declined.

He said Nicole had spoken to the German authorities about Brueckner and he would be happy to also talk to them.

Last week, The Mail on Sunday revealed that Brueckner had visited the villa in Foral in the months after Madeleine’s disappearance. Villagers this weekend expressed surprise that police had not conducted any searches.

One retired expat, who asked not to be named, said: ‘We know that Christian was in that house and around that village for many months. At the very least they should come and ask some questions about the movements in Foral.’

Dieter has seen police appeals for information about Brueckner’s white VW campervan with distinctive yellow trim and his Jaguar, but is puzzled why the authorities have not mentioned his larger Winnebago, which boasted a bedroom, living room and kitchen facilities.

Beautiful motor caravan

Why were troubled German teenagers being rehabilitated in another country?  Over 1000 miles away from the protective eyes of their families?   *%6^


I have come across this before in the north of PT, where it used to say on the internet that a home (which was of interest to me) was used to look after Brazilian street children (boys).   The Brazilian street children bit  has vanished from the internet, but it is about 4,000 miles between the Portuguese home and Brazil.  Why keep children so far from their families ?

Offline sadie

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2006 on: June 14, 2020, 03:48:04 AM »
Madeleine McCann may still be alive admits German prosecutor who said she was dead
Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Wolters admitted there was no “forensic evidence” to confirm Madeleine McCann was killed by German paedo Christian Brueckner

A top German prosecutor has admitted Madeleine McCann may still be alive – just days after cops told her parents they were “certain” she was dead.

In a startling U-turn, Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Wolters admitted there was no “forensic evidence” to confirm Madeleine's death.

He told the Sunday Mirror his previous claims about her “quick” death were “only personal opinion and speculation”.

He said: “We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be possible.

“I am surprised the fact we say or I say Madeleine is dead is so important for the British people.

“In Germany it’s more normal we investigate a murder in such a case, so it’s not so important. It’s more normal.”

Asked about saying Madeleine was killed quickly, he said: “That was private opinion and speculation... without facts. I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed.’”

Last night a friend of the McCanns hit out at Wolters for initially saying Madeleine was dead.

They raged: “You shouldn’t say it if you don’t know for a fact.

“They said from the outset they’re treating it as a murder investigation. They shouldn’t have been saying that unless they were damn sure.”

Mr Wolters says there is “90% ­evidence” that convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner was ­behind Madeleine’s ­disappearance – but not enough to charge him with

He added: “I have been a prosecutor 17 years and don’t think I will work on another case as big as this. It’s important we will solve the case."

Despite the German authorities’ stance, UK cops are still treating the investigation as a missing person inquiry.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-admits-22188523

I don't understand the ins and outs of International Law as some of you do.  But I wonder if Mr Wolters remarks could have compromised the case for the PT and British police ?

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2007 on: June 14, 2020, 07:53:35 AM »
I don't understand the ins and outs of International Law as some of you do.  But I wonder if Mr Wolters remarks could have compromised the case for the PT and British police ?
Our law is complex enough for anyone I think, Sadie, and I've never really given a thought to legal systems in foreign countries travelled to, just being wary of guys in uniform carrying guns which was not the norm here at the time.

But I've got to admit that was an article which left me with my mouth hanging open and wondering if the prosecutor had taken a brainstorm of some type.

What on earth possessed him.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2008 on: June 14, 2020, 08:00:53 AM »
Despite it being off topic ~ I know you will have a source for that or else you would not have posted it; please share with the forum.

I'm afraid not. I think he might have said it in the Netflix series, but I really don't know.
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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2009 on: June 14, 2020, 08:07:29 AM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann abduction showed off his campervan and chillingly boasted 'I can transport kids in this' months before her disappearance
Christian Brueckner allegedly said he could 'transport children' in his campervan
Said to have made comment in village of Foral, 40 miles from Praia da Luz
He is claimed to have said: 'Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you'
By ABUL TAHER FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

PUBLISHED: 22:07, 13 June 2020 | UPDATED: 23:36, 13 June 2020

The prime suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann showed off his campervan just months before she disappeared and boasted: ‘I can transport children in this.’

Christian Brueckner allegedly made the comment to the father of a female friend who lived in the Portuguese village of Foral, about 40 miles from Praia da Luz, the resort from where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.

The 43-year-old sex offender is claimed to have chillingly added: ‘Nobody can find them, nobody can catch you.’

The father – who asked to be referred to only as Dieter F – was visiting his social worker daughter, Nicole, at a villa where she helped to rehabilitate troubled German teenagers in the early part of 2007 when Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates.
Brueckner asked to refill the van with water and recharge the battery, as he had done several times before, and took the opportunity to show Dieter inside.

Dieter, 65, a former ambulance driver, told The Mail on Sunday: ‘As I looked inside, I asked him: “Herr Brueckner, what do you do in Portugal? What is your job?” He told me: “I work, I get money, because I have a special business. I transport grass [cannabis] in my van.” I was surprised, I did not believe it exactly.

‘Brueckner told me again: “I have 50kg of grass, and I transport it around Europe.” I thought he was joking at the time. He said: “In my van, I can take 50kg of grass, nobody can see it.”

‘He told me: “I can transport children, kids, in this space. Drugs and children, you can transport them in this van, it’s a safe space in the van, nobody can find them. Nobody can catch you.” ’

At the time, Dieter thought Brueckner was bragging, but now fears he was outlining his future evil plan. ‘I believe he kidnapped Maddie and brought her out of Portugal in his big van,’ he said.

Dieter said his daughter knew Brueckner in the mid-2000s, but contrary to reports was never romantically involved with him. He was, however, concerned during his visit in early 2007 that Brueckner had designs on Nicole, now 43.

‘At the time, I thought he was interested in my daughter, he was a bad boy. I felt, as a father, my daughter was not safe with such a man,’ he said.

Nicole met Brueckner in 2006 and he visited her at Foral about half a dozen times – either driving the Winnebago or his dark-coloured Jaguar – until she returned to Germany in 2010.

Dieter hopes that by speaking out, other witnesses may go to the police. He is haunted by how close Brueckner came to his daughter and his granddaughter, who was six years old in 2007 and, like Madeleine, had blonde hair.

‘I want to kill Brueckner. My daughter was in danger at the time, as was her daughter, because he is a paedophile,’ he said.

Dieter said Nicole had been surprised in 2012 when Brueckner arrived unexpectedly on her doorstep in Bavaria and alarmed four years later when he phoned her out of the blue and asked to stay with her because he did not want to be alone over Christmas. She declined.

He said Nicole had spoken to the German authorities about Brueckner and he would be happy to also talk to them.

Last week, The Mail on Sunday revealed that Brueckner had visited the villa in Foral in the months after Madeleine’s disappearance. Villagers this weekend expressed surprise that police had not conducted any searches.

One retired expat, who asked not to be named, said: ‘We know that Christian was in that house and around that village for many months. At the very least they should come and ask some questions about the movements in Foral.’

Dieter has seen police appeals for information about Brueckner’s white VW campervan with distinctive yellow trim and his Jaguar, but is puzzled why the authorities have not mentioned his larger Winnebago, which boasted a bedroom, living room and kitchen facilities.

Nice set of wheels which would take you anywhere in Europe or across the straights into Africa.  A drug dealer would have contacts all over the place.

My opinion that Madeleine was stolen to order is becoming more entrenched the more I hear and the more I think it unlikely she was taken to be used, abused and killed.
I think there is reason to hope for the unlikely and that Madeleine could still be alive.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....