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Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2430 on: June 17, 2020, 10:59:28 AM »
Is anything in the media ?

I had a google about this phone call but could not find any attributed link between this and a girlfriend, so conclude it was Tabloid fiction.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Admin

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2431 on: June 17, 2020, 11:01:30 AM »
More nonsense from sky?

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482

''German investigators want to retest a mystery saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests on the sample apparently found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

But the German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because the sample - thought to have been found on Madeleine's bed - is potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

But the Portuguese police (PJ) are unlikely to send the sample, partly because of recent criticism by the German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

He said last week the PJ still believed that Madeleine's parents were responsible for their daughter's disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007. The PJ ruled them out as suspects in 2008.

It is understood the German authorities would apply the same forensic techniques as the Portuguese.
There may also be legal restrictions that would not allow the sample to be sent abroad for retesting in such circumstances.

In 2012, Scotland Yard detectives visited a Portuguese forensic laboratory when they were about to launch their own investigation and their request to retest hairs found in the apartment was turned down.''

The Germans have got themselves in a right pickle now after claiming to have solved the Madeleine McCann case. They have even managed to upset the parents if the latest press release is anything to go by.

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2432 on: June 17, 2020, 11:14:05 AM »
More nonsense from sky?

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482

''German investigators want to retest a mystery saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests on the sample apparently found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

But the German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because the sample - thought to have been found on Madeleine's bed - is potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

But the Portuguese police (PJ) are unlikely to send the sample, partly because of recent criticism by the German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

He said last week the PJ still believed that Madeleine's parents were responsible for their daughter's disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007. The PJ ruled them out as suspects in 2008.

It is understood the German authorities would apply the same forensic techniques as the Portuguese.
There may also be legal restrictions that would not allow the sample to be sent abroad for retesting in such circumstances.

In 2012, Scotland Yard detectives visited a Portuguese forensic laboratory when they were about to launch their own investigation and their request to retest hairs found in the apartment was turned down.''

Yes, more rubbish. The DNA extracted from the semen/saliva stain by the Portuguese lab. was identified by the FSS as belonging to a small boy who occupied 5A before the McCanns.
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Offline Gertrude

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2433 on: June 17, 2020, 11:15:53 AM »
Yes, more rubbish. The DNA extracted from the semen/saliva stain by the Portuguese lab. was identified by the FSS as belonging to a small boy who occupied 5A before the McCanns.

Was that because it matched his profile or because they decided semen couldn't possibly be from a boy that age?

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2434 on: June 17, 2020, 11:51:23 AM »
Was that because it matched his profile or because they decided semen couldn't possibly be from a boy that age?

Here is the evidence;

DNA profile sent to FSS.

On the other hand, it was possible to define the autosomic STR profile of the sperm stain detected on the bedspread of one of the beds in the bedroom from where the child went missing. It has been already checked that there is no matching between the obtained genetic profile and the profile of the various samples of reference, which include the ones of the parents, friends, and others. Therefore, that DNA profile is now being forwarded to you, so that it can be inserted in your database, with the request that you check if it matches any of the genetic profiles from 3 British citizens who had stayed in the apartment in question, before the McCanns started to use that apartment on May 3rd, 2007.

FSS response.

I conclude further that, the DNA profiles obtained from the 'crime stain 1' and 286A/2007/CRL9A & B coincide with Charlie Gordon (bar code 51156964). I believe that Charlie Gordon was born on 29 January 2005, and if this is the case, in my opinion, the DNA profile obtained in 'crime stain 1' is not the result of semen found on the blanket.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm
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Offline Gertrude

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2435 on: June 17, 2020, 11:57:10 AM »
Here is the evidence;

DNA profile sent to FSS.

On the other hand, it was possible to define the autosomic STR profile of the sperm stain detected on the bedspread of one of the beds in the bedroom from where the child went missing. It has been already checked that there is no matching between the obtained genetic profile and the profile of the various samples of reference, which include the ones of the parents, friends, and others. Therefore, that DNA profile is now being forwarded to you, so that it can be inserted in your database, with the request that you check if it matches any of the genetic profiles from 3 British citizens who had stayed in the apartment in question, before the McCanns started to use that apartment on May 3rd, 2007.

FSS response.

I conclude further that, the DNA profiles obtained from the 'crime stain 1' and 286A/2007/CRL9A & B coincide with Charlie Gordon (bar code 51156964). I believe that Charlie Gordon was born on 29 January 2005, and if this is the case, in my opinion, the DNA profile obtained in 'crime stain 1' is not the result of semen found on the blanket.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2436 on: June 17, 2020, 12:37:34 PM »
Thankyou!

9A and 9B were collected on 4th August and sent straight to the FSS;

9A - Stain on the wall recovered with a Dry swab;
9B - Stain on the wall recovered with swab with distilled water;
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

Both swabs relate to one stain found on the wall behind the couch under the window in 5A. Quite how that 2 year old got his DNA in that spot I can't imagine.





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Offline Carana

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2437 on: June 17, 2020, 12:44:59 PM »
More nonsense from sky?

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482

''German investigators want to retest a mystery saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests on the sample apparently found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

But the German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because the sample - thought to have been found on Madeleine's bed - is potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

But the Portuguese police (PJ) are unlikely to send the sample, partly because of recent criticism by the German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

He said last week the PJ still believed that Madeleine's parents were responsible for their daughter's disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007. The PJ ruled them out as suspects in 2008.

It is understood the German authorities would apply the same forensic techniques as the Portuguese.
There may also be legal restrictions that would not allow the sample to be sent abroad for retesting in such circumstances.

In 2012, Scotland Yard detectives visited a Portuguese forensic laboratory when they were about to launch their own investigation and their request to retest hairs found in the apartment was turned down.''

Hmm.

I think either Martin has got mixed up or the German authorities have, or a mixture of both.

The only saliva stain on a bed was on the other bed in Madeleine's room and, despite testing "weakly positive" to sperm, was later found to have belonged to the baby boy of a previous occupant... and therefore hardly likely to be sperm.

There is however:

FSS-GF-680 Emissao 2, Pagina 1

On 9 April 2008, the DNA profiles obtained from the probatory components [objects] 286A/2007/CRL1A&B, 4A&B, 9A&B e 16A&B were submitted with a request to the National DNA Database(R).

Various matches were obtained with the results of 286A/2007/CRL4A&B; the majority of them were eliminated based on additional information obtained from the result; however, two remain (namely, bar codes 90264515 & 90374723). Those profiles were obtained using the old SGM system which examined only six areas of DNA. For this reason the samples should be upgraded [re-tested] using the new standard system SGMplus. It is likely that those samples would be eliminated after the upgrade.

Various matches were obtained with the results of 286A/2007/CRL9A&B; the majority of them were eliminated based on additional information obtained from the result; however, one remains (namely, bar code 80004801). It has matched with a sample of a spot recovered from a crime and cannot, at this time, be associated with a specific individual. Nevertheless, as that sample was processed with the old SGM system I consider the match to be of negligible significance.
All matches obtained from other samples were eliminated.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

If the "national database" meant the UK's one, then the sample would have predated her disappearance by years and therefore irrelevant.

OTOH, if the SGM result had been imported via Interpol for some reason... then there could possibly be a more recent connection. But I find that to be a somewhat remote possibility.

Offline Carana

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2438 on: June 17, 2020, 12:49:20 PM »
9A and 9B were collected on 4th August and sent straight to the FSS;

9A - Stain on the wall recovered with a Dry swab;
9B - Stain on the wall recovered with swab with distilled water;
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

Both swabs relate to one stain found on the wall behind the couch under the window in 5A. Quite how that 2 year old got his DNA in that spot I can't imagine.



We were thinking of the same thing.

TBH, it could have just been the baby being carried around in the flat and who put his finger on the wall on his way to the table to eat or to just look out the window. OTOH, there wasn't enough info to positively identify anyone in the wall sample.

Offline Carana

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2439 on: June 17, 2020, 01:35:41 PM »
The Germans have got themselves in a right pickle now after claiming to have solved the Madeleine McCann case. They have even managed to upset the parents if the latest press release is anything to go by.

Tending to agree with you on that for the moment...

Offline VIXTE

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2440 on: June 17, 2020, 02:38:52 PM »
9A and 9B were collected on 4th August and sent straight to the FSS;


It did not take them that long  @)(++(*

Offline Carana

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2441 on: June 17, 2020, 02:57:52 PM »
It did not take them that long  @)(++(*

For the moment, the German prosecutor is pursuing a murder investigation. On what basis... ??? For the moment, there's no way of knowing if he's throwing mud on a wall and hoping that something sticks or whether there is solid evidence, but just short of proof.


Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2442 on: June 17, 2020, 03:36:58 PM »
It did not take them that long  @)(++(*

Please explain?
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Offline Anthro

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2443 on: June 17, 2020, 03:37:24 PM »
https://www.the-sun.com/news/994373/madeleine-mccann-cops-re-test-saliva-algarve/
In this article, again, a ‘scrap of blue material’ is mentioned. G-unit gave an explanation as well as references to the files. Does this mean the ‘scrap’ is part of the saliva sample?

Offline Carana

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #2444 on: June 17, 2020, 03:51:56 PM »
https://www.the-sun.com/news/994373/madeleine-mccann-cops-re-test-saliva-algarve/
In this article, again, a ‘scrap of blue material’ is mentioned. G-unit gave an explanation as well as references to the files. Does this mean the ‘scrap’ is part of the saliva sample?

AFAIK, that would be the piece of cloth from the bedspread on the other bed in the kids' room, on which the supposed sperm / later found to be most likely saliva from the baby boy was found.