New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Eleanor]

It is clear if you understand some of the German legal system and how they open investigations.

Is this the difference between Adversarial and Inquisitorial?  I never can remember the difference.

[Gertrude]

Is this the difference between Adversarial and Inquisitorial?  I never can remember the difference.

It is Inquisitorial, as in a judge would interrogate...but this is the point I've been trying to make;

'“The degree of suspicion needed to open an investigation (Anfangsverdacht) based on ascertainable facts is not very high, though; it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

Excerpt From: Bohlander, Michael. “Principles of German Criminal Procedure.”

Based on this and what he has said ( for me at least) it confirms the Prosecutor, based on experience believes it possible the crime has been committed. The UK press don't understand that and have jumped on the word 'concrete' thinking it means he has a piece of concrete evidence.

[Mr Gray]

It is clear if you understand some of the German legal system and how they open investigations.

What is not clear is what is a concrete suspicion.. I can only think it's a suspicion based on evidence.  You may have convinced yourself you make sense but your inability to explain what a concrete suspicion is tells me you that you don't make sense

[faithlilly]

It is Inquisitorial, as in a judge would interrogate...but this is the point I've been trying to make;

'“The degree of suspicion needed to open an investigation (Anfangsverdacht) based on ascertainable facts is not very high, though; it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

Excerpt From: Bohlander, Michael. “Principles of German Criminal Procedure.”

Based on this and what he has said ( for me at least) it confirms the Prosecutor, based on experience believes it possible the crime has been committed. The UK press don't understand that and have jumped on the word 'concrete' thinking it means he has a piece of concrete evidence.

It is good to see that a policeman’s instinct is valued in Germany.

[Eleanor]

It is Inquisitorial, as in a judge would interrogate...but this is the point I've been trying to make;

'“The degree of suspicion needed to open an investigation (Anfangsverdacht) based on ascertainable facts is not very high, though; it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

Excerpt From: Bohlander, Michael. “Principles of German Criminal Procedure.”

Based on this and what he has said ( for me at least) it confirms the Prosecutor, based on experience believes it possible the crime has been committed. The UK press don't understand that and have jumped on the word 'concrete' thinking it means he has a piece of concrete evidence.

Thanks.

[Gertrude]

What is not clear is what is a concrete suspicion.. I can only think it's a suspicion based on evidence.  You may have convinced yourself you make sense but your inability to explain what a concrete suspicion is tells me you that you don't make sense

 I don't make sense to you Davel because you don't want it to make sense IMO.

I've quoted a legal source that says '“to open an investigation....it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

The Prosecutor can base his 'suspicion' on experience. That's a legal fact.

[Mr Gray]

I don't make sense to you Davel because you don't want it to make sense IMO.

I've quoted a legal source that says '“to open an investigation....it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

The Prosecutor can base his 'suspicion' on experience. That's a legal fact.

The fact did not take away from the fact that he doesn't refer to it as a suspicion but a concrete suspicion.
Another fact is you have no right to tell me why I don't accept something... Another mistake by you... Take note

[Gertrude]

The fact died not take away from the fact that he doesn't refer to it as a suspicion but a concrete suspicion.
Another fact is you have no right to tell me why I don't accept something... Another mistake by you... Take note

I said IMO. I am entitled to an opinion, please take note of that.

[Mr Gray]

I said IMO. I am entitled to an opinion, please take note of that.

And i think you are jumping to conclusions without enough evidence to support your conclusions.

[Gertrude]

And i thuink you are jumping to conclusions without enough evidence to support your conclusions.

A few days ago more than one member on here had some very strong opinions on me misreading an article and making a mistake. I was told I had done it to mislead. apparently it's fine for people to have an opinion about such things.

[barrier]

A few days ago more than one member on here had some very strong opinions on me misreading an article and making a mistake. I was told I had done it to mislead. apparently it's fine for people to have an opinion about such things.

You'll learn who to engage with,it'll make your experience here more enjoyable.

[Mr Gray]

I don't make sense to you Davel because you don't want it to make sense IMO.

I've quoted a legal source that says '“to open an investigation....it need only make it appear possible that, according to criminal experience, an offence may have been committed.”

The Prosecutor can base his 'suspicion' on experience. That's a legal fact.

What you haven't shown is that this is the situation in this case.

[Gertrude]

What you haven't shown is that this is the situation in this case.

I'm saying it's likely based on what the prosecutor has said and German law.

[Mr Gray]

I'm saying it's likely based on what the prosecutor has said and German law.

it's likely in your opinion. You seem to want to believe that the germans have absolutely no evidence.  A concrete suspicion sounds like a suspicion based on evidence to me

[Gertrude]

it's likely in your opinion. You seem to want to believe that the germans have absolutely no evidence.  A concrete suspicion sounds like a suspicion based on evidence to me

I don't believe they have 'absolutely no evidence'. I quoted a legal source that says the threshold can be low there's a difference. Our media seem to believe the threshold must be higher to open a murder investigation which is not so in Germany. This has resulted IMO, in our media inventing claims of 'concrete evidence'.