New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Mr Gray]

I don't believe they have 'absolutely no evidence'. I quoted a legal source that says the threshold can be low there's a difference. Our media seem to believe the threshold must be higher to open a murder investigation which is not so in Germany. This has resulted IMO, in our media inventing claims of 'concrete evidence'.

There's lots of your opinion there....what evidence do you have for what the press beleive. I would say many investigations in the UK are opened on suspicion with evidence subsequently obtained. I dont see that germany are unique in this.
Have the media invented concrete suspicion or are those words  an accurate translation of what was said....Im fairly sure you dont know.

[Gertrude]

There's lots of your opinion there....what evidence do you have for what the press beleive. I would say many investigations in the UK are opened on suspicion with evidence subsequently obtained. I dont see that germany are unique in this.
Have the media invented concrete suspicion or are those words  an accurate translation of what was said....Im fairly sure you dont know.

The German legal system is different. That's a fact. The press were writing '100%' she was dead and 'concrete evidence'....
 I think I have shown to a reasonable degree why they have misconstrued the prosecutors 'suspicion' with 'evidence'

You don't want to accept it fine, don't. 

[Mr Gray]

The German legal system is different. That's a fact. The press were writing '100%' she was dead and 'concrete evidence'....
 I think I have shown to a reasonable degree why they have misconstrued the prosecutors 'suspicion' with 'evidence'

You don't want to accept it fine, don't.

I don't accept a lot of what is said here because it simply isn't true. It's the prosecutors concrete suspicion by the way... According  to your recent post

[Gertrude]

I don't accept a lot of what is said here because it simply isn't true.

In your opinion. At least I went to the trouble of sources to back up how I came to mine.

[Gertrude]

I don't accept a lot of what is said here because it simply isn't true. It's the prosecutors concrete suspicion by the way... According  to your recent post

You've lost me now.

[Mr Gray]

In your opinion. At least I went to the trouble of sources to back up how I came to mine.

I can back up everything I say. The fact that you think you've justified your opinion is simply your opinion

[Gertrude]

I can back up everything I say. The fact that you think you've justified your opinion is simply your opinion

I made it clear it was my opinion and I formed that opinion on what has been said in the media and German law, not sure why you have such a problem with it.

You still haven't explained this

 'It's the prosecutors concrete suspicion by the way... According  to your recent post'

[Carana]

A BBC correspondant on twitter 1 hour ago;

'@GavinLeeBBC
The Braunschweig prosecutor, Christian Wolters, has made clear to the BBC that there’s no forensic evidence to indicate that #MadeleineMcCann is dead.

He adds “We have a fact-based suspicion that the accused (Christian B) has killed Madeleine”
It’s a “concrete suspicion” he says;'

This is what I suspected. The UK press don't understand the Germans being able to open a murder case based on suspicion and experience of similar crimes only. They have confused 'concrete suspicion' with 'concrete proof' IMO.

I know next to nothing of German criminal law. Wrapping my head around PT law was bad enough.

In some countries, if the prosecution goes for a lesser charge, it can't then be changed to a higher one (and no, I can't remember which ones). Is this the case in Germany or not? If so, it could explain the attempt to go for a murder one first.

[Gertrude]

I know next to nothing of German criminal law. Wrapping my head around PT law was bad enough.

In some countries, if the prosecution goes for a lesser charge, it can't then be changed to a higher one (and no, I can't remember which ones). Is this the case in Germany or not? If so, it could explain the attempt to go for a murder one first.

I think there can be an initial charge put to the suspect before interrogation which can be different than the one that is used in trial. I don't know how different though, whether the second one is just more detailed.

[Mr Gray]

I made it clear it was my opinion and I formed that opinion on what has been said in the media and German law, not sure why you have such a problem with it.

You still haven't explained this

 'It's the prosecutors concrete suspicion by the way... According  to your recent post'

You continually say the case is being investigated purely on suspicion... I'm pointing out it seems it's a concrete suspicion...that sounds like a suspicion based on evidence to me

[Mr Gray]

I think there can be an initial charge put to the suspect before interrogation which can be different than the one that is used in trial. I don't know how different though, whether the second one is just more detailed.

In any investigation in any country I think it's true to say charges can change as the investigation progresses

[Mr Gray]

I think there can be an initial charge put to the suspect before interrogation which can be different than the one that is used in trial. I don't know how different though, whether the second one is just more detailed.

I doubt a suspect has to be charged before being questioned

[faithlilly]

And i think you are jumping to conclusions without enough evidence to support your conclusions.

And I don’t think she is...so it looks like you’re in the minority.

[Mr Gray]

And I don’t think she is...so it looks like you’re in the minority.

I don't think I am... According  to Portuguese journalist interviewing amaral most Portuguese  don't think she's guilty


MST : Let me ask you a question, do you think that in this country many people believes that Leonor Cipriano killed her daughter ?
GA : I think so.
MST : Very few people, Gonçalo Amaral, very few people.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

In any investigation in any country I think it's true to say charges can change as the investigation progresses

Yes I’m not familiar with Germany but in the UK you are arrested on suspicion of committing a crime, questioning follows (with the right to remain silent) and various charges may (or may not follow). It’s entirely possible to be arrested for obstruction, for example, but charged with assault etc etc