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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3075 on: June 22, 2020, 09:47:44 PM »
Pat on the head and a biscuit for the research. But your conclusion could not be more wrong.
Explain.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3076 on: June 22, 2020, 10:09:46 PM »
Absolutely off topic but if you can't beat them join them.

It is nonsensical for you to keep on insisting that Clarence Mitchell has anything whatsoever to do with Martin Smith or Smithman. 

Martin Smith was a Policia Judiciaria witness.  Clarence Mitchell or anyone else mouthing off about him would have been guilty of interfering with police witnesses - a police investigation - and Judicial secrecy laws.

It would have been impossible for Clarence Mitchell to know anything about the Smiths beyond reports in the Irish papers.

If anyone should have been doing anything about Smithman it was Amaral ... who as it happens did nothing.

Do you understand that ???

Then what of this from Martin Smith’s statement ?

‘ He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit ’
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3077 on: June 22, 2020, 10:50:54 PM »


Martin Smith was a Policia Judiciaria witness.  Clarence Mitchell or anyone else mouthing off about him would have been guilty of interfering with police witnesses - a police investigation - and Judicial secrecy laws.

It would have been impossible for Clarence Mitchell to know anything about the Smiths beyond reports in the Irish papers.


 (&^&

I take it you're not familiar with the LSE Event.... or other events where CM "mouthed off" about Tannerman then? Tanner was a PJ witness so why didn't the same rules apply? I knew about Smithman in December 2007 - so it is inconceivable to think that Mitchell didn't. The LSE event was in January 2008.


Oh, and see Faith's post above.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2020, 11:10:02 PM by Billy Whizz Fan Club »

Offline misty

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3078 on: June 22, 2020, 10:58:22 PM »
Then what of this from Martin Smith’s statement ?

‘ He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit ’

At what stage were Kennedy/his investigators made aware that the Smiths had told the PJ in May 2007 they couldn't help produce efits & furthermore that Martin had subsequently identified Smithman as Gerry? There was a flurry of media reports in January 2008 in which the Smith family stressed they woud do anything they could to help in the search for Madeleine.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id162.htm  (scroll down for various reports)

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3079 on: June 22, 2020, 10:59:10 PM »
Evidence is not proof........im sick of pointing that out to posters

Circumstantial evidence is even less likely to provide proof than "concrete evidence". Yet without even knowing the "concrete evidence" you state you're 99.9% convinced the German sex offender was guilty of abduction and that there followed a death. I hope you're never selected for jury service my friend. It's a great shame because you're a thinker who can see the difference between evidence and proof... yet you make up your mind about the proof without even knowing the evidence. You also want to convict on odds (which roughly translate into a balance of probability) yet you don't even then pick the most probable scenario but rather place your bets on a "rare" one.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3080 on: June 22, 2020, 11:04:03 PM »
odds based on evidence...are evidence

What evidence are you referring to though? There's pages and pages of "evidence". Which evidence suggests the German sex offender was the abducter? It's a genuine question. I'm not trying to exonerate him - I want to know what evidence is convincing you that he is guilty of abduction beyond all reasonable doubt?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3081 on: June 22, 2020, 11:05:32 PM »
What evidence are you referring to though? There's pages and pages of "evidence". Which evidence suggests the German sex offender was the abducter? It's a genuine question. I'm not trying to exonerate him - I want to know what evidence is convincing you that he is guilty of abduction beyond all reasonable doubt?
Is that what Davel has said?  Convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that he is guilty?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3082 on: June 22, 2020, 11:07:43 PM »
351 jackpots won since 2004.  Approximately 50 stranger abductions in the UK alone per year.  Clearly stranger abductions in Europe are more common than jackpot wins on the Euromillions.

You're comparing two totally different things.

You need to look at missing children cases, and then look at how many of these cases are the result of stranger abduction.

Surely you accept that no court would convict on the basis of "it's a possibility"

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3083 on: June 22, 2020, 11:13:48 PM »
Is that what Davel has said?  Convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that he is guilty?

Yes, he said "99.99999%" Massive apologies if I misquoted him (I'm good at that!!!  8()-000( )

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3084 on: June 22, 2020, 11:16:41 PM »
I said Clarence Mitchell stated that "stranger abduction" was "rare". Dave was asking about "odds".

Amaral didn't do nothing. His team interviewed the Smiths then later made arrangements to have them return to Portugal.

You posted "Smithman would be a good starting point - though sadly not for CM who ignored the sighting for weeks".  A sentiment which you have been continually reiterating in your posts in one form or another.

It is wrong and I have explained why it is wrong.  To stay within forum rules please don't repeat it again.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3085 on: June 22, 2020, 11:38:11 PM »
You're comparing two totally different things.

You need to look at missing children cases, and then look at how many of these cases are the result of stranger abduction.

Surely you accept that no court would convict on the basis of "it's a possibility"
I did look -refer to my post, it’s 50 approx per year.  People frequently cite the rarity of child abduction by a stranger as evidence that Madeleine was likely not abducted.  Rare it may be but it happens with fairly reliable and regular consistency, much like a jackpot payout on Euromillions.  One would not say that because winning the jackpot is such a rarity that it’s evidence that a guy who regularly buys lottery tickets and who just deposited £150m in his bank a count could not have won the lottery.  It’s nonsensical. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3086 on: June 22, 2020, 11:47:34 PM »
I did look -refer to my post, it’s 50 approx per year.  People frequently cite the rarity of child abduction by a stranger as evidence that Madeleine was likely not abducted.  Rare it may be but it happens with fairly reliable and regular consistency, much like a jackpot payout on Euromillions.  One would not say that because winning the jackpot is such a rarity that it’s evidence that a guy who regularly buys lottery tickets and who just deposited £150m in his bank a count could not have won the lottery.  It’s nonsensical.

But I'm not citing the odds / probability as evidence - our Dave is.

I quite agree that stranger abduction is a possibility. It happens. What I have not been shown is the "concrete evidence" of it in this case.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3087 on: June 22, 2020, 11:47:52 PM »
Portuguese police looking for Madeleine McCann missed chance to question suspect
Portuguese police went to Christian Brueckner's home shortly after Maddie's disappearance in Praia da Luz, Portugal, however he was not in when they visited, disgraced ex-chief Goncalo Amaral said.

Martin Fricker

Christian Brueckner is the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance
Portuguese detectives tried to quiz Christian Brueckner shortly after Madeleine McCann ­vanished – but he was not in when they visited and it is not known if they returned.

The astonishing revelation that police may have given up probing the German fiend early on after getting no answer at his door came from Goncalo Amaral.

The disgraced ex-chief led the much-criticised initial probe in 2007 and has been in a legal fight with Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry for nine years.

Amaral, 60, said: “I have been told by colleagues, who are retired like me, that they had come knocking on the door. That person was not at home.”


Maddie went missing in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007
He said he was not aware if any more inquiries were made after the visit, which was made shortly after Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz, aged three.

Amaral’s comments, in a TV interview on Portugal’s TVI, came after it emerged last week Brueckner told a judge he was a paedophile when he was in court in 2006, charged with petrol theft.

But officials in Portimao apparently failed to pass that on to the Policia Judiciaria – which Amaral was in charge of.

Lisbon-based Amaral said on TVI that police did not know Brueckner, 43, was a convicted paedophile. It is thought he was known to them through a theft conviction and living in Praia da Luz.


The house where Brueckner is understood to have lived
Amaral was removed as head of the probe in 2008 after criticising British police. And he falsely claimed in a 2009 book that Madeleine died accidentally and Kate and Gerry covered it up.

Rather than admitting in his latest interview mistakes were made, Amaral launched a fresh attack on the McCanns and the pals they were holidaying with.

The McCanns sued Amaral for defamation over his controversial book, The Truth Of The Lie, in the Portuguese courts and the battle is still rumbling on. Amaral has made more than £350,000 from his book and a DVD spin-off.

He made similar claims in last year’s Netflix documentary about Madeleine’s disappearance.

And in Sunday’s interview, he claimed Brueckner – currently in jail in the German city Kiel on a drugs conviction, and fighting a second sentence for raping a 72-year-old woman – has been made a “scapegoat” as he is an “almost perfect suspect”. He alleges German authorities altered photos of the pervert’s VW Westfalia camper van.


Former detective Goncalo Amaral confirmed police visited the house
Amaral handed the presenter what he claimed were photos of the vehicle taken last year, showing it had cartoon-style characters painted on the front and back, and a Portuguese number plate.

Amaral said: “I think it’s important to ask why the photo put out by the ­authorities of the van was altered.”

Asked if he thinks Brueckner is guilty, he replied: “To answer that it has to be proven first an abduction took place.”

During their libel case against Amaral, the McCanns spoke of the “devastation, anxiety and pain” that his claims caused.

Kate told a Lisbon court how, after hearing Amaral’s allegations, her son Sean, then nine, had asked her if she had hidden his sister’s body. She added she and Gerry had taken advice from a child psychologist on how to answer queries from Sean and his twin sister, Amelie.

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Last week, the McCanns said they no longer have a spokesman and they insist they “will not be giving a running commentary on the investigation”.

Meanwhile, it emerged Brueckner owned two other vehicles, including a Mercedes van, when the tot vanished.

Police only flagged up a VW camper and Jaguar XJR when they made a new appeal earlier this month.

Last week, we revealed Brueckner was driving a blue Bedford van at the time, which was scrapped in 2009.

Pals said he was also using a 30ft Tiffin Allegro motor home in 2007.

But court files released yesterday show Brueckner was also the owner of a white Mercedes-Benz 205D van and a grey Opel Ascona.

The whereabouts of both vehicles is unknown and neither are thought to have been swept by forensic experts.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3088 on: June 22, 2020, 11:51:57 PM »
Phew.... I found what Dave said about the new suspect and evidence. I didn't misquote him:

...."I've looked at the evidence Re him and the evidence Re the parents..

Parents 99.9999999999 not involved... CB  99 % involved..
All based on evidence"
.....

What I would like to see is the evidence upon which Dave makes this evaluation.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3089 on: June 22, 2020, 11:52:21 PM »
But I'm not citing the odds / probability as evidence - our Dave is.

I quite agree that stranger abduction is a possibility. It happens. What I have not been shown is the "concrete evidence" of it in this case.
Amaral describes Brückner as “the perfect suspect”.  Why do you think he calls him that? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".