New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Brietta]

The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal - having already interviewed them once. They were going to be asked to formally ID someone. That's hardly doing nothing. They also attempted to get the T7/T9 back for a reconstruction to test the timelines.

Without reference to Amaral's book ...

Please provide a cite for "The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal"

Please provide a cite for "The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal"

[Vertigo Swirl]

I've no idea. What evidence is there that he was involved?

You’ve  “no idea?”. Oh but I think you do...

[Mr Gray]

Circumstantial evidence is even less likely to provide proof than "concrete evidence". Yet without even knowing the "concrete evidence" you state you're 99.9% convinced the German sex offender was guilty of abduction and that there followed a death. I hope you're never selected for jury service my friend. It's a great shame because you're a thinker who can see the difference between evidence and proof... yet you make up your mind about the proof without even knowing the evidence. You also want to convict on odds (which roughly translate into a balance of probability) yet you don't even then pick the most probable scenario but rather place your bets on a "rare" one.

My opinions are based on evidence...which produces a probability. i wouldnt put it at 99%...i was deliberately putting that figure on it to highlight the hypocrisy of those who support amarals right to accuse the McCanns. then when posters here claim the McCanns are guilty...not  a word of dissent from posters such as yourself yet you rally to the defence of quite an evil person like CB

[Mr Gray]

Yes, he said "99.99999%" Massive apologies if I misquoted him (I'm good at that!!!  )

you have misquoted me...apologies accepted

[G-Unit]

My opinions are based on evidence...which produces a probability. i wouldnt put it at 99%...i was deliberately putting that figure on it to highlight the hypocrisy of those who support amarals right to accuse the McCanns. then when posters here claim the McCanns are guilty...not  a word of dissent from posters such as yourself yet you rally to the defence of quite an evil person like CB

This German man may be guilty, but the evidence offered so far is very sparse. I don't think anyone is rallying to his defence, they are merely pointing out that there's no real evidence of his guilt at the moment. That's why appeals have been made; to see if evidence can be found. I doubt if the gossip found by the media is going to count.

[barrier]

This German man may be guilty, but the evidence offered so far is very sparse. I don't think anyone is rallying to his defence, they are merely pointing out that there's no real evidence of his guilt at the moment. That's why appeals have been made; to see if evidence can be found. I doubt if the gossip found by the media is going to count.

Plus this forum.

[Mr Gray]

This German man may be guilty, but the evidence offered so far is very sparse. I don't think anyone is rallying to his defence, they are merely pointing out that there's no real evidence of his guilt at the moment. That's why appeals have been made; to see if evidence can be found. I doubt if the gossip found by the media is going to count.

But you would have to agree that the same posters dont come along and point out that the evidence against the McCanns is sparse and theres no real evidence of their guilt.....yourself included. Im just pointing out the hypocrisy

[G-Unit]

But you would have to agree that the same posters dont come along and point out that the evidence against the McCanns is sparse and theres no real evidence of their guilt.....yourself included. Im just pointing out the hypocrisy

Thank you for admitting (finally) that there is evidence against the McCanns; there are those who deny that.

[Mr Gray]

Thank you for admitting (finally) that there is evidence against the McCanns; there are those who deny that.

You obviously havent read my posts carefully...I talk of evidence and real evidence. Read my post again. Ive already said there is evidence. Evidence is simply anything that supprts a proposition. In the Mcccanns case the evidence is weak and adds up to nothing..

[barrier]

You obviously havent read my posts carefully...I talk of evidence and real evidence. Read my post again. Ive already said there is evidence. Evidence is simply anything that supprts a proposition. In the Mcccanns case the evidence is weak and adds up to nothing..

So what is the evidence that supports the proposition that the named, unnamed German is being complicit in any way with the disappearance of Madeleine ?

[Mr Gray]

So what is the evidence that supports the proposition that the named, unnamed German is being complicit in any way with the disappearance of Madeleine ?

I think that's quite obvious

[G-Unit]

Without reference to Amaral's book ...

Please provide a cite for "The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal"

Please provide a cite for "The PJ had just made arrangements to bring the Smiths back to Portugal"

Inspector Paiva spoke to Mr Smith by phone on 27th September 2007, a week after Smith contacted OG. His return to Portugal was definitely discussed as Smith assured Paiva of his;

full availability to travel to Portugal with the aim of making statements and collaborating with this police in all the diligences that could be considered necessary concerning these events.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

[G-Unit]

I think that's quite obvious

What's obvious to you isn't obvious to others. He was in the area; but so were many others. He had a conviction in another country for child abuse; but so did many others. He received a phone call on 3rd May; but so did many others. Anything else?

[Mr Gray]

Inspector Paiva spoke to Mr Smith by phone on 27th September 2007, a week after Smith contacted OG. His return to Portugal was definitely discussed as Smith assured Paiva of his;

full availability to travel to Portugal with the aim of making statements and collaborating with this police in all the diligences that could be considered necessary concerning these events.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

So the ID is based on the way the child was carried....thats all. That really doesnt sound at all reliable

[G-Unit]

So the ID is based on the way the child was carried....thats all. That really doesnt sound at all reliable

This case is riddled with unreliable evidence. People reported seeing Madeleine McCann all over the world, reported charity collectors and random men standing in streets.