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Offline Eleanor

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3345 on: June 26, 2020, 02:56:00 PM »
Amaral is always going to do his best to interfere with The Investigation.

Personally, I think that he should not be allowed to do this.  But apparently, in Portugal Freedom of Speech is more important than Justice.

It is looking to me that The Court Case wherein Amaral's Right were deemed to be more important than those of The McCanns is coming back to bite them.

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3346 on: June 26, 2020, 03:04:49 PM »
You could be right. Oh dear.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id466.htm

If sensitive investigative info were to go straight to Portimão, every PT hack would be waiting at the nearest bar for Edwige to fly by.

That would be procedure and protocol.

The evidence which justified the reopening was carried out by the Porto team led by Helen Monteiro.  It took them two years working in strict secrecy to do so.


Portuguese police held their own Madeleine McCann reconstruction


A RECONSTRUCTION by Portuguese detectives of key events on the day Madeleine McCann went missing has helped persuade the country's legal officials to re-open the case, we reveal today.

By JAMES MURRAY
PUBLISHED: 04:43, Sun, Oct 27, 2013

The detectives, who have been reviewing the case files for two years, went to Praia da Luz on the Algarve a month ago to pursue secret inquiries.

They spent hours walking around the Ocean Club working out where certain people were seen at particular times and at Apartment 5a, from where threeyear-old Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007.

The exercise was the culmination of months of work by four Portuguese detectives based in Porto in the north of the country, who are directly working for the highly respected senior officer Helen Monteiro, an expert on abduction cases.

It is thought her elite team of dedicated officers has recently been concentrating on statements from witnesses who say they saw unknown people acting suspiciously in the resort around the time the child was missed. The work in Luz came before Scotland Yard released photofits of potential suspects on the BBC's Crimewatch show this month.

Ms Monteiro has insisted all her officers work in absolute secrecy to prevent leaks of their inquiries. It was decided officers in Porto should conduct the review as none had any direct involvement in the first Madeleine McCann investigation and would therefore approach the case with fresh eyes and open minds.

In Portugal, Ms Monteiro is seen as the driving force finally to get the Madeleine case files re-opened after five years, rather than through the efforts of Scotland Yard. She and her team are working separately from the Yard, although there is close liaison between the two.

Yesterday Portuguese Justice Minister Paula Teixeira da Cruz said the decision to reopen the case, taken last week, was due to the work of the Policia Judiciaria and not because of pressure from Scotland Yard. She said: "The PJ developed diligences that allowed for this process to be reopened. Often there are almost perfect crimes and not all of them are discovered all over the world. If the PJ requested the reopening, it has good motives to do so."

Portuguese law officials and senior officers in the PJ have been acutely aware of criticism of the initial police investigation and insist they are determined to solve the case.

Ms Teixeira da Cruz urged people to be "proud" of the work being done by the PJ, which she insisted had not been idle in seeking to solve the mystery.

For a time Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were seen as arguidos or suspects but that status was lifted. Now they are being kept fully informed of all developments and were given a personal briefing of the work of the PJ in Lisbon last week.

The McCann's Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, is reportedly seeking for his clients to be "assistants" in the case. This would allow their lawyer to work closely with state prosecutors.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439464/Portuguese-police-held-their-own-Madeleine-McCann-reconstruction

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7938.msg386277#msg386277
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline kizzy

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3347 on: June 26, 2020, 03:39:25 PM »
You cant answer the simple question...why would the Germans want to make a scapegoat...what evidence is their hes a scapegoat and not a genuine suspect...


you said
the germans haven't influenced me...the facts have.


What are the facts - everything you know is what the media ex cell mates are saying.

No official statements have been made - apart from appealing for any witnesses.

It's not facts its a shambles IMO

Offline Gertrude

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3348 on: June 26, 2020, 03:45:45 PM »
Surely if Amaral was part of the investigation that looked at Bruckner's van in 2007, that's how he has access to the photos of the van with the paintings on?
  He is in effect correcting the German's mistake of releasing photos of a 'clean van', so I don't see how he can be interfering. Scotland yard apparently also made a mistake by saying the Jaguar was of interest when it wasn't in Portugal at the time. Then the Prosecutors comes out and says the vehicles were only ever to jog people's memories ( or words to that effect)...ie create a buzz, maybe they were included to be something of substance in the appeal press releases.
The German's were legally obliged to look into Bruckner as he was named after the TV appeal... but they messed up in 2013 by informing him what the summons was about when they sent it.
 IMO. This appeal was only ever about making a big show of investigating Bruckner who they had tipped off, a sort of face-saving measure for the German Prosecutors office.
 

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3349 on: June 26, 2020, 03:55:46 PM »

you said
the germans haven't influenced me...the facts have.


What are the facts - everything you know is what the media ex cell mates are saying.

No official statements have been made - apart from appealing for any witnesses.

It's not facts its a shambles IMO

the fact that he has a history of paedophilia..burglary...was in luz that night...had  memory stick with child abuse...little girls wimming costumes in his van...the fact that the Germas have said the consider him gulty based on evidence they hold....what facts do you have to support him being a scapegoat...none...zero...zilch

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3350 on: June 26, 2020, 04:09:19 PM »
Surely if Amaral was part of the investigation that looked at Bruckner's van in 2007, that's how he has access to the photos of the van with the paintings on?
  He is in effect correcting the German's mistake of releasing photos of a 'clean van', so I don't see how he can be interfering. Scotland yard apparently also made a mistake by saying the Jaguar was of interest when it wasn't in Portugal at the time. Then the Prosecutors comes out and says the vehicles were only ever to jog people's memories ( or words to that effect)...ie create a buzz, maybe they were included to be something of substance in the appeal press releases.
The German's were legally obliged to look into Bruckner as he was named after the TV appeal... but they messed up in 2013 by informing him what the summons was about when they sent it.
 IMO. This appeal was only ever about making a big show of investigating Bruckner who they had tipped off, a sort of face-saving measure for the German Prosecutors office.

You seem to simply want to discredit the german police when in fact it seems CB wasnt properly investigated by the PJ. they called at his house once...he was out and amaral cant say if it was further followed up.

it seems the PJ dont want to released dna to the Germans...it seems the PJ according to the Germans arent cooperating because they still think the parents did it.
IMO CB is quite possibly guilty but the ineptitude of the PJ in the first investigation may allow a guilty man to go free.

Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3351 on: June 26, 2020, 04:11:49 PM »
Amaral is always going to do his best to interfere with The Investigation.

Personally, I think that he should not be allowed to do this.  But apparently, in Portugal Freedom of Speech is more important than Justice.

It is looking to me that The Court Case wherein Amaral's Right were deemed to be more important than those of The McCanns is coming back to bite them.

You need to learn to let it go.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3352 on: June 26, 2020, 04:12:19 PM »
You could be right. Oh dear.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id466.htm

If sensitive investigative info were to go straight to Portimão, every PT hack would be waiting at the nearest bar for Edwige to fly by.

Amatal, of course, has been living in Lisbon for some years now.
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Offline Carana

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3353 on: June 26, 2020, 04:13:37 PM »
Amatal, of course, has been living in Lisbon for some years now.

A Whatsapp chat away, if he still is.

Offline kizzy

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3354 on: June 26, 2020, 04:15:43 PM »
the fact that he has a history of paedophilia..burglary...was in luz that night...had  memory stick with child abuse...little girls wimming costumes in his van...the fact that the Germas have said the consider him gulty based on evidence they hold....what facts do you have to support him being a scapegoat...none...zero...zilch


.none...zero...zilch

sounds about the same as evidence of an abduction -  unless a perfect crime

Don't think your suspect with what you listed and committed -  would be capable of a perfect crime ..do you.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2020, 04:17:52 PM by kizzy »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3355 on: June 26, 2020, 04:16:41 PM »
You need to learn to let it go.

Amaral needs to let it go...as do his supporters. ....the investigation has moved on ...as amaral says CB is the perfect suspect

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3356 on: June 26, 2020, 04:17:19 PM »
The point you are missing is that Amaral should not be 'in the loop' of a current police investigation and if he is you totally misread the implication of that.

Should Clarence have ever been in the loop with this case?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3357 on: June 26, 2020, 04:18:33 PM »

.none...zero...zilch

sounds about the same as evidence of an abduction -  unless a perfect crime

Don't think your suspect with what you listed and committed -  would be capable of a perfect crime ..do you.
what is the evidence for a scapegoat...why would the Germans supply a scapegoat

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3358 on: June 26, 2020, 04:22:09 PM »
Amaral is always going to do his best to interfere with The Investigation.

Personally, I think that he should not be allowed to do this.  But apparently, in Portugal Freedom of Speech is more important than Justice.

It is looking to me that The Court Case wherein Amaral's Right were deemed to be more important than those of The McCanns is coming back to bite them.

Amaral has as much right to give his opinion as anyone else.

The Portuguese Courts judged the McCann's case and found it wanting. That wasn't their fault or Amaral's fault, it was the fault of those bringing the case. They chose their arguments and their arguments weren't good enough.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #3359 on: June 26, 2020, 04:25:55 PM »
Amaral has as much right to give his opinion as anyone else.

The Portuguese Courts judged the McCann's case and found it wanting. That wasn't their fault or Amaral's fault, it was the fault of those bringing the case. They chose their arguments and their arguments weren't good enough.

The SC judged that amarals right to free speech outweighed the mccanns right to reputation..an opinion that is imo out of step with the ECHR legiislation that they claimed they abided by.