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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4110 on: June 30, 2020, 09:51:46 AM »
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ocean+club+praia+da+luz+phone+number&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#

There’s the phone number, perhaps they can assis you with your enquiry.

“Said” mast...

What is it with some people?🙄
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4111 on: June 30, 2020, 09:56:21 AM »
There is a thread on page 55 of the McCann board,it concerns phone pings which brought the 3 amigos to granges attention,the relevance to this new suspect I hear you ask,it is this,  just how he cannot be said to be outside of 5a by his phone record.


From 2013
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24386130.


What can phone data tell us?
By Matthew WallTechnology reporter, BBC News

As mobile phones constantly send and receive data from mobile phone masts, a user's location can be identified to within a few hundred metres using triangulation techniques. Modern smartphones with GPS built in can be located far more accurately.

Mobile phone records include the numbers of the call sender and receiver, the call duration and time. Couple this with location information and you can establish where and when callers made or received a call. This information is often used to verify or knock down alibis in criminal cases.

The difficulty for investigators is establishing the identity of the user if the phone is pay-as-you-go (PAYG) rather than on a pay-monthly contract linked to a bank account. PAYG phones, SIM cards and top-up cards can be bought in-store for cash, leaving no identifying trail for investigators to follow.

And because such phones can be lent or sold to other people, establishing exactly who made a telephone call is made even more difficult.


Barrier I know from time spent here on the thread re the Rettendon Murders that mobile phone data/cell site analysis is complex.  If you want to read an authentic report by an expert its here.  Will give you some idea of the issues:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg512240#msg512240
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4112 on: June 30, 2020, 09:58:46 AM »
A trauma patient refers to something like  a car accident...not  a fall in the home.
Falls may be the most common cause of death but have you looked at the statistics. Elderly popele die due to falls not children
When children do die from falls it takes hours due to  a subdural bleed.
We have been through this before...no one was able to come up with an incident of  a childs fall causing immediate or fairly quick death.


Children fall over all the time and often bump their heads.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of one single case where a child has slipped over indoors and died due to a severe head injury. Children are very supple and light and if they do trip over or slip they usually land on their knees.

Maddie wasn’t wearing any socks, either, so that makes it it even more unlikely she’d slip.

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4113 on: June 30, 2020, 09:59:30 AM »

Kate wasn’t, though

She was in the apartment bathing the children and getting them ready for bed.

Have you read KM's book? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4114 on: June 30, 2020, 10:01:38 AM »
Barrier I know from time spent here on the thread re the Rettendon Murders that mobile phone data/cell site analysis is complex.  If you want to read an authentic report by an expert its here.  Will give you some idea of the issues:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg512240#msg512240

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/12/denmark-frees-32-inmates-over-flawed-geolocation-revelations
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4115 on: June 30, 2020, 10:13:53 AM »
Barrier I know from time spent here on the thread re the Rettendon Murders that mobile phone data/cell site analysis is complex.  If you want to read an authentic report by an expert its here.  Will give you some idea of the issues:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6020.msg512240#msg512240


I understand enough to know back in 2007, phone contracts were expensive, a payg,was the choice by most.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4116 on: June 30, 2020, 10:19:07 AM »
There is a thread on page 55 of the McCann board,it concerns phone pings which brought the 3 amigos to granges attention,the relevance to this new suspect I hear you ask,it is this,  just how he cannot be said to be outside of 5a by his phone record.


From 2013
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24386130.


What can phone data tell us?
By Matthew WallTechnology reporter, BBC News

As mobile phones constantly send and receive data from mobile phone masts, a user's location can be identified to within a few hundred metres using triangulation techniques. Modern smartphones with GPS built in can be located far more accurately.

Mobile phone records include the numbers of the call sender and receiver, the call duration and time. Couple this with location information and you can establish where and when callers made or received a call. This information is often used to verify or knock down alibis in criminal cases.

The difficulty for investigators is establishing the identity of the user if the phone is pay-as-you-go (PAYG) rather than on a pay-monthly contract linked to a bank account. PAYG phones, SIM cards and top-up cards can be bought in-store for cash, leaving no identifying trail for investigators to follow.

And because such phones can be lent or sold to other people, establishing exactly who made a telephone call is made even more difficult.



Barrier, you inferred there was no mast at the OC by saying “where is this “said” mast?”

Brietta always, always makes good, constructive posts with reputable information.  That information came from none other than Hans Christian Woltor, the chief of police who has categorically stated that the mast is at the Ocean Club, and Christian Buerick received and made a call from there.

You’re now surmising he may have only had PAYG phones, but you don’t know that. He may have had a contract phone.

But even PAYG phones can be traced to its owner: and the German police have done that. They’ve confirmed that THAT phone belonged to HIM. It’s easy for intelligence to discover where a PAYG phone was bought, and like all criminals, they usually always get caught out — eventually.

Trying to suggest that “maybe” Christian Buecker very kindly gave someone HIS phone — who just so happened to use it outside the Ocean Club — actually makes him look MORE suspicious! But one would have to be incredibly naive to believe the word of a known liar, thief, burglar, rapist and paedophile. If you think for one second the police would believe that old chestnut, you’re sorely wrong.

Doesn’t matter, anyway...the police have far more damning evidence on him than just THAT!

They have proof that he killed Madeleine and they even know how.

They’re not going to tell the public what their proof is, they’re not stupid.

Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4117 on: June 30, 2020, 10:22:20 AM »
Have you read KM's book?


No, I haven’t.

But I’ve read lots about the case, and what they all did that last day.

Why do you ask?

Are you going to give me homework?
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4118 on: June 30, 2020, 10:24:23 AM »

I understand enough to know back in 2007, phone contracts were expensive, a payg,was the choice by most.

That’s not true.

I’ve had contract phones since the mid 1990s, and so has my daughter.

They’re actually less expensive than PAYG.
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4119 on: June 30, 2020, 10:29:55 AM »

Barrier, you inferred there was no mast at the OC by saying “where is this “said” mast?”

Brietta always, always makes good, constructive posts with reputable information.  That information came from none other than Hans Christian Woltor, the chief of police who has categorically stated that the mast is at the Ocean Club, and Christian Buerick received and made a call from there.

You’re now surmising he may have only had PAYG phones, but you don’t know that. He may have had a contract phone.

But even PAYG phones can be traced to its owner: and the German police have done that. They’ve confirmed that THAT phone belonged to HIM. It’s easy for intelligence to discover where a PAYG phone was bought, and like all criminals, they usually always get caught out — eventually.

Trying to suggest that “maybe” Christian Buecker very kindly gave someone HIS phone — who just so happened to use it outside the Ocean Club — actually makes him look MORE suspicious! But one would have to be incredibly naive to believe the word of a known liar, thief, burglar, rapist and paedophile. If you think for one second the police would believe that old chestnut, you’re sorely wrong.

Doesn’t matter, anyway...the police have far more damning evidence on him than just THAT!

They have proof that he killed Madeleine and they even know how.

They’re not going to tell the public what their proof is, they’re not stupid.

Is there any reason to believe that in May 2007 other masts existed besides the two identified as follows:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11622.msg600874#msg600874
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4120 on: June 30, 2020, 10:40:21 AM »

Barrier, you inferred there was no mast at the OC by saying “where is this “said” mast?”

Brietta always, always makes good, constructive posts with reputable information.  That information came from none other than Hans Christian Woltor, the chief of police who has categorically stated that the mast is at the Ocean Club, and Christian Buerick received and made a call from there.

You’re now surmising he may have only had PAYG phones, but you don’t know that. He may have had a contract phone.

But even PAYG phones can be traced to its owner: and the German police have done that. They’ve confirmed that THAT phone belonged to HIM. It’s easy for intelligence to discover where a PAYG phone was bought, and like all criminals, they usually always get caught out — eventually.

Trying to suggest that “maybe” Christian Buecker very kindly gave someone HIS phone — who just so happened to use it outside the Ocean Club — actually makes him look MORE suspicious! But one would have to be incredibly naive to believe the word of a known liar, thief, burglar, rapist and paedophile. If you think for one second the police would believe that old chestnut, you’re sorely wrong.

Doesn’t matter, anyway...the police have far more damning evidence on him than just THAT!

They have proof that he killed Madeleine and they even know how.

They’re not going to tell the public what their proof is, they’re not stupid.

HCW is not chief of police. 

How can a PAYG phone be traced?

If anyone has damning evidence on CB then why hasn't he been charged? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4121 on: June 30, 2020, 10:40:47 AM »

Barrier, you inferred there was no mast at the OC by saying “where is this “said” mast?”

Brietta always, always makes good, constructive posts with reputable information.  That information came from none other than Hans Christian Woltor, the chief of police who has categorically stated that the mast is at the Ocean Club, and Christian Buerick received and made a call from there.

You’re now surmising he may have only had PAYG phones, but you don’t know that. He may have had a contract phone.

But even PAYG phones can be traced to its owner: and the German police have done that. They’ve confirmed that THAT phone belonged to HIM. It’s easy for intelligence to discover where a PAYG phone was bought, and like all criminals, they usually always get caught out — eventually.

Trying to suggest that “maybe” Christian Buecker very kindly gave someone HIS phone — who just so happened to use it outside the Ocean Club — actually makes him look MORE suspicious! But one would have to be incredibly naive to believe the word of a known liar, thief, burglar, rapist and paedophile. If you think for one second the police would believe that old chestnut, you’re sorely wrong.

Doesn’t matter, anyway...the police have far more damning evidence on him than just THAT!

They have proof that he killed Madeleine and they even know how.

They’re not going to tell the public what their proof is, they’re not stupid.

Yet still no charges, weird innit.  OG don't agree, still a missing persons case, best you liaise the two forces,they obviously are missing a linkman.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4122 on: June 30, 2020, 10:46:53 AM »
That’s not true.

I’ve had contract phones since the mid 1990s, and so has my daughter.

They’re actually less expensive than PAYG.

That depends on the usage and need to have the most up to date gadget, mine is a hand me down  phone and payg which cost £5 a month, you can't get a contract for that.Use wifi at home for what I need.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4123 on: June 30, 2020, 10:49:13 AM »
HCW is not chief of police. 

How can a PAYG phone be traced?

If anyone has damning evidence on CB then why hasn't he been charged?

the answer to your questions will be revealed when the germans are ready

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #4124 on: June 30, 2020, 10:57:02 AM »
the answer to your questions will be revealed when the germans are ready

So we're not longer reliant upon the Met to solve the case? That's probably a good thing after last night's airing of 'Murder in the car park'.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?