New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well surely if I don't believe the abduction - I don't believe CB is responsible

does that answer it. VS

You didn't answer mine - if he died tomorrow would you still think he was the abductor on what you know.

No because I didn’t ask you that question.  Go back and re-read my post.
As for your question I don’t see that his dying or living would make any difference to my opinion, why should it?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I'll try and make it simpler.

If he isnt charged or dies it doesnt mean he didnt do it. He hasn't been cleared and he hasn't been proved to be innocent. I will still think 100% he was involved

Is that better

You’re entitled to your opinion. But legally anyone (McCs or the German paedophile) are presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

[Mr Gray]

Especially when in TOTL GA stated he wished he had never sent the results to Birmingham FSS

Then IIRC the B/lab was deeply criticized for cases it had botched up.

The FSS suffered damage to its reputation following the failure to recover blood stains from a shoe in the murder of Damilola Taylor.[5] Further damage occurred when the FSS failed to use the most up-to-date techniques for extracting DNA sample

GA SNIP

As for the English authorities, Amaral believes that they too "are looking for paedophiles who fit in the abduction theory, without however proving that there has been an abduction".

The cadaver dogs, brought by the British authorities, detected blood in the house, but that evidence was eventually depreciated. "The English laboratory wrecked the results", said Gonçalo Amaral, who reproaches the laboratory technician of expressing opinions about the results.

The FSS was a very large organisation and not surprisingly made errors but on the whole it was a world leader in its field. It was the FSS who established LCN DNA and also familial DNA which has also been resonsible for solving some seious crimes. The FSS was closed for financial reasons...it was sprivatised and if you have followed whats happened the private firms who have taken over have had lots of problems. Mark Perlin is on record praising the work of the FSS

You seem to think amaral is some kind of authority on forensic evidence...judging by what he has said about the dog alerts and the dna results he obviosly  isnt.

[kizzy]

I'll try and make it simpler.

If he isnt charged or dies it doesnt mean he didnt do it. He hasn't been cleared and he hasn't been proved to be innocent. I will still think 100% he was involved

Is that better

It is but then we are back to square one as in yours hasn't been cleared -  and neither has mine. IMO

[Vertigo Swirl]

You’re entitled to your opinion. But legally anyone (McCs or the German paedophile) are presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though (as sceptics love to keep bang on about), so nor will this chap be - ever if it never comes to court and if no one else is found guilty of the crime. 

[misty]

Especially when in TOTL GA stated he wished he had never sent the results to Birmingham FSS

Then IIRC the B/lab was deeply criticized for cases it had botched up.

The FSS suffered damage to its reputation following the failure to recover blood stains from a shoe in the murder of Damilola Taylor.[5] Further damage occurred when the FSS failed to use the most up-to-date techniques for extracting DNA sample

GA SNIP

As for the English authorities, Amaral believes that they too "are looking for paedophiles who fit in the abduction theory, without however proving that there has been an abduction".

The cadaver dogs, brought by the British authorities, detected blood in the house, but that evidence was eventually depreciated. "The English laboratory wrecked the results", said Gonçalo Amaral, who reproaches the laboratory technician of expressing opinions about the results.

In the same interview GA blamed the English dogs, brought to Portugal at the request of Kate & Gerry, for contaminating the  same evidence he said should never have been sent to FSS. Yet without the dogs, there wouldn't have been any forensics suggestive of Madeleine's blood or DNA.
Now we have the involvement of an unbiased German police force, with no political undertones, seeking to solve the case based on previously unknown evidence and Amaral is still living in 2007. The Germans have enough on their hands right now, which may or may not be linked to CB & his treasure trove. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-investigating-30000-potential-suspects-in-pedophile-probe/a-53984249

[Mr Gray]

It is but then we are back to square one as in yours hasn't been cleared -  and neither has mine. IMO

Does it matter what square we are on...who cares

[kizzy]

Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though (as sceptics love to keep bang on about), so nor will this chap be - ever if it never comes to court and if no one else is found guilty of the crime.

Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though

So do you think its 50/50.

[Mr Gray]

You’re entitled to your opinion. But legally anyone (McCs or the German paedophile) are presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

perhaps you should tell that to the portuguese Supreme Court

[Vertigo Swirl]

Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though

So do you think its 50/50.

Do I think what is 50/50?

[Mr Gray]

Legally the McCanns haven’t been cleared though

So do you think its 50/50.

no ...100% Breukner...just as you think its 100% the McCanns

[Wonderfulspam]

But the police have stated publicly that there is strong evidence and that they are convinced they have their man, so why would the McCanns know in advance that he won’t be charged? Even if he isn’t charged the assumption will be that the reason he wasn’t was because the police were unable to get any stronger evidence on him. It doesn’t mean he would be in the clear and the suspicion it was him will linger forever.  And yet the McCanns are refusing to play along with this, if they are guilty that makes no sense, he is after all “the perfect scapegoat”.

Q: "But the police have stated publicly that there is strong evidence and that they are convinced they have their man, so why would the McCanns know in advance that he won’t be charged?"

A: Because he didn't do it.


Q: Even if he isn’t charged the assumption will be that the reason he wasn’t was because the police were unable to get any stronger evidence on him. It doesn’t mean he would be in the clear and the suspicion it was him will linger forever.  And yet the McCanns are refusing to play along with this, if they are guilty that makes no sense, he is after all “the perfect scapegoat”.


A: If people believe that CB murdered Maddie, who's going to donate to their search fund?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Q: "But the police have stated publicly that there is strong evidence and that they are convinced they have their man, so why would the McCanns know in advance that he won’t be charged?"

A: Because he didn't do it.


Q: Even if he isn’t charged the assumption will be that the reason he wasn’t was because the police were unable to get any stronger evidence on him. It doesn’t mean he would be in the clear and the suspicion it was him will linger forever.  And yet the McCanns are refusing to play along with this, if they are guilty that makes no sense, he is after all “the perfect scapegoat”.


A: If people believe that CB murdered Maddie, who's going to donate to their search fund?

Nobody is donating to a search fund now, but you think the reason thr McCanns don’t want to be cleared of thiscrime once and for all is so that they ca. solicit more funds to spend on detectives for a daughter they know is on a rubbish tip somewhere?  And this makes sense how exactly?

[Wonderfulspam]

Nobody is donating to a search fund now, but you think the reason thr McCanns don’t want to be cleared of thiscrime once and for all is so that they ca. solicit more funds to spend on detectives for a daughter they know is on a rubbish tip somewhere?  And this makes sense how exactly?

The McCanns don't need to be cleared of anything, they are innocent until proven guilty (but that doesn't mean they didn't do it).

And is it true that nobody is donating to their fund?
I haven't seen their accounts so I wouldn't know what they're spending the money on. It could be flights to far flung countries under the guise of searching for all I know, or care.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The McCanns don't need to be cleared of anything, they are innocent until proven guilty (but that doesn't mean they didn't do it).

And is it true that nobody is donating to their fund?
I haven't seen their accounts so I wouldn't know what they're spending the money on. It could be flights to far flung countries under the guise of searching for all I know, or care.

Are they actively soliciting funds through social media, adverts in the paper, interviews on the telly?  If not then I would suggest that nobody is donating to their fund, and why would they be?  Everyone knows that this is a live police investigation costing upwards of £12 million.  The idea that the McCanns would reject the “perfect scapegoat” in order to start up a renewed appeal for funds in the future which would have to be spent on actually searching (for a daughter you believe they know is dead anyway) is absurd in the extreme and I think you know it really.