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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12090 on: February 01, 2021, 11:49:39 AM »
For Wolters it would be a criminal trial so witnesses are compelled to give evidence

On what evidence are you basing your opinion?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12091 on: February 01, 2021, 11:52:29 AM »
On what evidence are you basing your opinion?

German defamation law
« Last Edit: February 01, 2021, 12:00:08 PM by Davel »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12092 on: February 01, 2021, 11:53:50 AM »
Libel is a civil matter.

If Wolter had broken the law by lying about Brueckner it would be the state taking him to court and Brueckner couldn’t be compelled to give testimony.

In some countries... Germany for instance.. Libel can tried under criminal law... Happy to correct you
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Offline faithlilly

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12093 on: February 01, 2021, 12:01:15 PM »
In some countries... Germany for instance.. Libel can tried under criminal law... Happy to correct you

Then my point stands. The state would be suing Wolter and Brueckner need take no part if he chooses.

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12094 on: February 01, 2021, 12:06:30 PM »
Then my point stands. The state would be suing Wolter and Brueckner need take no part if he chooses.

You haven't got a clue. Witnesses have to give evidence in a criminal trial... Except for some specific exceptions

Offline The General

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12095 on: February 01, 2021, 12:09:33 PM »
You haven't got a clue. Witnesses have to give evidence in a criminal trial... Except for some specific exceptions
What if the take the stand and keep their mouth shut? What then? Contempt and a £30 fine? Colditz?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12096 on: February 01, 2021, 12:13:36 PM »
What if the take the stand and keep their mouth shut? What then? Contempt and a £30 fine? Colditz?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12097 on: February 01, 2021, 12:17:27 PM »
Then my point stands. The state would be suing Wolter and Brueckner need take no part if he chooses.

Wrong again. The state will only prosecute if its a matter of public interest.. Otherwise its a private prosecution

Offline faithlilly

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12098 on: February 01, 2021, 12:27:55 PM »
You haven't got a clue. Witnesses have to give evidence in a criminal trial... Except for some specific exceptions

Witnesses can be summoned to court but can’t be compelled to give evidence if by answering the question they may incriminate themselves.

Of course this is English law not German.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12099 on: February 01, 2021, 12:32:01 PM »
Wrong again. The state will only prosecute if its a matter of public interest.. Otherwise its a private prosecution

What?

If Wolter had committed a criminal offence then the state would prosecute him.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12100 on: February 01, 2021, 12:33:07 PM »
Witnesses can be summoned to court but can’t be compelled to give evidence if by answering the question they may incriminate themselves.

Of course this is English law not German.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12101 on: February 01, 2021, 12:39:28 PM »
Cite required

I think you need to provide cites first to support your opinion that any defamation action brought by CB against Wolters would be a criminal rather than a civil matter.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12102 on: February 01, 2021, 12:41:00 PM »
Cite required

https://www.hja.net/can-you-be-forced-to-give-evidence-as-a-witness-know-your-rights/

Does a witness have the right to remain silent in Court?

Each individual summonsed to court may refuse to answer the prosecutor’s questions if they have a “just excuse” for doing so.

A couple of reasons why someone would be:

A genuine fear of reprisals
That the answer to the question might incriminate the witness.


Of course, again, this is English law.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Icanhandlethetruth

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12103 on: February 01, 2021, 12:52:54 PM »
From what I have read HCW could be jailed for those commnets if CB were to sue him...and they were not true

So what you are saying is that HCW believes in his evidence so completely that in a slander case in Germany he believes there is not even a 1% chance of him personally being separated from his loving family and slopping out the bogs for a period of 2 years in a prison in Braunschweig, but not enough evidence to charge CB. Read it back, does that make any sense to you at all. Its nonsense.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12104 on: February 01, 2021, 04:47:20 PM »
So what you are saying is that HCW believes in his evidence so completely that in a slander case in Germany he believes there is not even a 1% chance of him personally being separated from his loving family and slopping out the bogs for a period of 2 years in a prison in Braunschweig, but not enough evidence to charge CB. Read it back, does that make any sense to you at all. Its nonsense.

He has said he has strong evidence maddie si dead and CB murdered her...he isnt saying he has proof. If he doesnt have that evidence CB could sue him and potentially see him jailed. CB must be very confidnt