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Offline Anthro

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12150 on: February 06, 2021, 06:50:59 PM »
Therefore reasonable doubt exist's. Seven months ago the BKA told the world it had concrete evidence they had a suspect who murdered Madeleine McCann, they still have not even questioned him despite appealing for help, something is holding them back, as you have just shown in another thread forensics is the key, the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic has to be cleared up imo.Remember the onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, ergo they can't in this case.
I agree. In my opinion, the BKA may be holding back due to other developments connected to Madeleine’s case.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12151 on: February 06, 2021, 06:52:11 PM »
CB would not be tried in front of a jury.
Resorting to Google:

"Typically, in a criminal trial, the prosecutor cannot present evidence of prior convictions to attempt to prove guilt by suggesting that the defendant exhibits a pattern of criminal behavior. The issue of prior convictions being used as evidence generally only arises when the defendant chooses to testify."

These convictions might be discussed prior to a charge being laid.  There seems to be a change in behaviour once a charge is laid against that person.
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Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12152 on: February 06, 2021, 06:55:29 PM »
From the opening post of this thread

“And his criminal record, disclosed by the German police, is a disturbing guide as to what his motivations might have been”.

Have you seen what the police officially disclosed ?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12153 on: February 06, 2021, 07:13:27 PM »
Have you seen what the police officially disclosed ?
his criminal record, as stated in the article.  How else would we know about it?
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Offline barrier

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12154 on: February 06, 2021, 07:25:10 PM »
his criminal record, as stated in the article.  How else would we know about it?

All it say's is below, nothing about burglaries, nothing about abduction's

The man has two previous convictions for "sexual contact with girls", according to Christian Hoppe from Germany's federal criminal police office.
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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12155 on: February 06, 2021, 08:36:46 PM »
Therefore reasonable doubt exist's. Seven months ago the BKA told the world it had concrete evidence they had a suspect who murdered Madeleine McCann, they still have not even questioned him despite appealing for help, something is holding them back, as you have just shown in another thread forensics is the key, the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic has to be cleared up imo.Remember the onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, ergo they can't in this case.

Why do you think the BKA should question someone until it suits them to do so?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12156 on: February 06, 2021, 08:38:22 PM »
Therefore reasonable doubt exist's. Seven months ago the BKA told the world it had concrete evidence they had a suspect who murdered Madeleine McCann, they still have not even questioned him despite appealing for help, something is holding them back, as you have just shown in another thread forensics is the key, the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic has to be cleared up imo.Remember the onus is always on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, ergo they can't in this case.

Please be specific which DNA samples you refer to in your post.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12157 on: February 06, 2021, 08:48:24 PM »
Resorting to Google:

"Typically, in a criminal trial, the prosecutor cannot present evidence of prior convictions to attempt to prove guilt by suggesting that the defendant exhibits a pattern of criminal behavior. The issue of prior convictions being used as evidence generally only arises when the defendant chooses to testify."

These convictions might be discussed prior to a charge being laid.  There seems to be a change in behaviour once a charge is laid against that person.

Scots law allows consideration of previous proven offences in very particular circumstances.   If I recall accurately, particularly offences involving children.



The Moorov doctrine can be used where a series of crimes have been committed and are closely linked by time, character, circumstance and place of commission as to constitute a course of conduct by the accused. The accused must be positively identified in each case.

Corroboration in Scots law - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corroboration_in_Scots_law
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12158 on: February 06, 2021, 09:26:11 PM »
Please be specific which DNA samples you refer to in your post.
"The girl's DNA" is referring to Madeleine's DNA from any sample taken from the car.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12159 on: February 06, 2021, 09:36:52 PM »
Please be specific which DNA samples you refer to in your post.

"the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic" The car hired by the McCanns was a Scenic, I believe.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12160 on: February 06, 2021, 09:38:06 PM »
All it say's is below, nothing about burglaries, nothing about abduction's

The man has two previous convictions for "sexual contact with girls", according to Christian Hoppe from Germany's federal criminal police office.
He doesn’t have a conviction for abduction so why would you expect that to be mentioned?  How would the press know about his previous convictions if not disclosed by the police?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12161 on: February 06, 2021, 09:42:25 PM »
Scots law allows consideration of previous proven offences in very particular circumstances.   If I recall accurately, particularly offences involving children.



The Moorov doctrine can be used where a series of crimes have been committed and are closely linked by time, character, circumstance and place of commission as to constitute a course of conduct by the accused. The accused must be positively identified in each case.

Corroboration in Scots law - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corroboration_in_Scots_law
Scots Law I take it to mean the law as it is applied in Scotland.  Each state could have its own style of law.  If the case is held in Germany it will be German Law that is applied IMO
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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12162 on: February 06, 2021, 10:37:36 PM »
"The girl's DNA" is referring to Madeleine's DNA from any sample taken from the car.

Which is what exactly?

I was rather looking forward to a response from Barrier which as far as queries made by me are concerned would be a rather unique event.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12163 on: February 06, 2021, 10:43:12 PM »
"the slightest suggestion of the girls DNA in the scenic" The car hired by the McCanns was a Scenic, I believe.

I believe you may be spot on as far as the McCann hire car goes ~ how's about giving a cite for Madeleine's (AKA "the girl's") DNA recovered from it.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12164 on: February 06, 2021, 10:55:48 PM »
Scots Law I take it to mean the law as it is applied in Scotland.  Each state could have its own style of law.  If the case is held in Germany it will be German Law that is applied IMO

Of course German law will be applicable in Germany just as Ney will face prosecution in France under French Law, the outcome of which may indeed be why all is presently 'quiet on the Western Front" as far as Brueckner's case is concerned.

Do you know enough about German Law to determine whether or not there is an equivalent protocol to the Scottish Moorov doctrine accepted there?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....