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Offline Lace

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12855 on: April 20, 2021, 12:06:18 PM »
How did he get into the other apartments?   How did the man who assaulted children in their beds get in?   I'm sure I read that one apartment was locked,  so how did he get in, did he have a key?

Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12856 on: April 20, 2021, 12:24:25 PM »
For several reasons entrance to 5a via the window is a possibility... No evidence found may just be sloppy investigating

A possibility pointed out and supported by her parents, although they later decided to go with entering via the unlocked patio doors. No evidence may mean no evidence to be found.
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Offline Brietta

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12857 on: April 20, 2021, 12:29:08 PM »
How did he get into the other apartments?   How did the man who assaulted children in their beds get in?   I'm sure I read that one apartment was locked,  so how did he get in, did he have a key?

There was denial in the sceptic world that such assaults on children had occurred.  Much as there is denial that a man capable of invading an adult's residence would be unable to enter unlocked premises to remove a little child.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12858 on: April 20, 2021, 12:39:05 PM »
A possibility pointed out and supported by her parents, although they later decided to go with entering via the unlocked patio doors. No evidence may mean no evidence to be found.

So it's just speculation at the moment but if Wolters has the evidence he claim we will have some definitive answers

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12859 on: April 20, 2021, 01:19:31 PM »
There was denial in the sceptic world that such assaults on children had occurred. Much as there is denial that a man capable of invading an adult's residence would be unable to enter unlocked premises to remove a little child.

There's also a significant lack of disclosed evidence that they did.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12860 on: April 20, 2021, 01:32:52 PM »
I don't think it's fatuous at all to remind people that anyone planning to harm Madeleine had to get into 5A first, unless Madeleine left the apartment herself.
Gosh, breaking into an unlocked groundfloor apartment - how on EARTH did he do that?  It’s a total mystery isn’t it?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12861 on: April 20, 2021, 01:38:02 PM »
Gosh, breaking into an unlocked groundfloor apartment - how on EARTH did he do that?  It’s a total mystery isn’t it?

If it was unlocked then there was never any break in.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12862 on: April 20, 2021, 01:42:41 PM »
If it was unlocked then there was never any break in.
Semantics.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12863 on: April 20, 2021, 01:45:59 PM »
Semantics.

I would argue in court that the front door was wide open when I entered & I was merely trespassing.

It isn't like I made any forced entry.
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Offline jassi

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12864 on: April 20, 2021, 01:48:55 PM »
I would argue in court that the front door was wide open & when I entered & I was merely trespassing.

It isn't like I made any forced entry.

Or even just visiting.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12865 on: April 20, 2021, 01:52:41 PM »
Or even just visiting.

I heard a child crying in the apartment so I went in to investigate & to try to soothe the distressed child, upon entry I met a husband & wife couple who were doing exactly the same.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12866 on: April 20, 2021, 01:59:18 PM »
I would argue in court that the front door was wide open & when I entered & I was merely trespassing.

It isn't like I made any forced entry.
And you took the child because you thought no one wanted her and you decided to give her a better life but then when you tried to put her in the car she ran off and you never saw her again.  Yes, very plausible, charges dismissed you're free to go.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12867 on: April 20, 2021, 02:00:02 PM »
I heard a child crying in the apartment so I went in to investigate & to try to soothe the distressed child, upon entry I met a husband & wife couple who were doing exactly the same.
And this couple were who?  They will of course vouch for you. 
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12868 on: April 20, 2021, 02:01:33 PM »
And you took the child because you thought no one wanted her and you decided to give her a better life but then when you tried to put her in the car she ran off and you never saw her again.  Yes, very plausible, charges dismissed you're free to go.

There's no evidence I took the child & there are at least 4 other unidentified adults known to have been in or around the apartment.

Plenty of reasonable doubt for a jury there.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: New German suspect in Madeleine McCann mystery disappearance.
« Reply #12869 on: April 20, 2021, 02:37:54 PM »
There's no evidence I took the child & there are at least 4 other unidentified adults known to have been in or around the apartment.

Plenty of reasonable doubt for a jury there.

German law relies neither on juries or on the principle of beyond reasonable doubt. The process is very different from the UK process.

The Code of Criminal Procedure does not explicitly state that a conviction requires proof of the defendant’s guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-12520-2_3#:~:text=1%20Basic%20Law).,defendant's%20guilt%20beyond%20reasonable%20doubt.&text=German%20law%20does%20not%20have,sufficient%20for%20convicting%20the%20defendant.
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