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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Why now?
« Reply #120 on: June 06, 2020, 04:38:38 PM »
Obviously you start with evidence at apartment 5A where the child went missing from if they believe the German abducted her.
No meaningful forensic evidence was collected by the PJ - but you knew that already.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why now?
« Reply #121 on: June 06, 2020, 05:01:02 PM »
There was evidence collected on curtains, behind the sofa, hairs so don't spread nonsense!
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Why now?
« Reply #122 on: June 06, 2020, 05:04:14 PM »
There was evidence collected on curtains, behind the sofa, hairs so don't spread nonsense!
Where is this evidence now, and what mysterious DNA profiles did it reveal at the time it was first analysed?
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why now?
« Reply #123 on: June 06, 2020, 05:52:00 PM »
National Institute of Forensic Medicine (INML) in Coimbra. DNA testing has advanced since 2007. What are you scared of? New DNA testing should be done without question!
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Why now?
« Reply #124 on: June 06, 2020, 06:10:55 PM »
National Institute of Forensic Medicine (INML) in Coimbra. DNA testing has advanced since 2007. What are you scared of? New DNA testing should be done without question!
Did I say I was scared?  I assure you I’m not scared.  Why on earth would I be scared? 
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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Why now?
« Reply #125 on: June 06, 2020, 06:11:25 PM »
National Institute of Forensic Medicine (INML) in Coimbra. DNA testing has advanced since 2007. What are you scared of? New DNA testing should be done without question!


Possibly but Surely some  of the samples will have degraded or been destroyed by the original process.  And the chances of getting new material 13 years on is Franky remote.

So what are your thoughts on what dna testing should be done at this stage and to what purpose. 

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why now?
« Reply #126 on: June 06, 2020, 06:19:49 PM »
Did I say I was scared?  I assure you I’m not scared.  Why on earth would I be scared?

Why are you questioning it? That is evidence from the crime scene.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Why now?
« Reply #127 on: June 06, 2020, 07:12:58 PM »
Why are you questioning it? That is evidence from the crime scene.
Why am I not allowed to question it?  Why does asking questions about the DNA mean I’m scared?  Any DNA found in the apartment could only prove incriminating if it is linked to people not in the McCann group so why do you suppose I would be scared exactly?  You’re not making much sense.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Why now?
« Reply #128 on: June 06, 2020, 08:08:25 PM »
I wonder what samples still exist? On 21st August the FSS wrote to LP setting out the policy on samples, which they referred to as perishable and non-perishable samples. The perishable samples would only be kept if the defence requested it within 21 days. As there was no defence because there was no defendant I expect those samples are long gone.

The non-perishable samples would have been returned to LP, but whether they kept them isn't known.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

I don't know what the policy was in Portugal regarding retention of samples.
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Offline jassi

Re: Why now?
« Reply #129 on: June 06, 2020, 08:16:53 PM »
To add further complication, the FSS no longer exists following privatisation of the Forensic service, so any samples they did retain could now be anywhere.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why now?
« Reply #130 on: June 06, 2020, 08:38:57 PM »
Institute president Francisco Brizida, said afterwards: “I have the certainty they went away very happy.”

“The tonic of the meeting was about the possibility of the tests on samples collected in 2007 being re-done.

“The British police wanted clarification on the examinations the institute had carried out during the early stages of the inquiry in the areas of genetics and biology.

“We talked about non-identified material that was collected in Madeleine’s apartment.

“I can’t say for sure new DNA tests that didn’t yield a conclusive result in 2007 could now yield an objective result.

“But technology nowadays allows us to go further than years ago in areas like genetic markers.

“Several possibilities are open. One could be that British police do the tests in Britain with British technology and another that the institute does them.

“But that’s an area in which the institute does not have the last word. There’s a situation of judicial cooperation and a new international letter of request would be necessary.”


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/hair-strands-during-original-madeleine-mccann-investigation-never-dna-matched-9825210.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline barrier

Re: Why now?
« Reply #131 on: June 06, 2020, 09:50:07 PM »
They will be required to do new DNA tests if they are going to charge this German. They need evidence!


Wonder if Perlin's offer still stands?
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Offline jassi

Re: Why now?
« Reply #132 on: June 06, 2020, 09:52:09 PM »

Wonder if Perlin's offer still stands?

The Germans might be interested, though Britain will avoid like the plague as it wasn't devised by them IMO
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline barrier

Re: Why now?
« Reply #133 on: June 06, 2020, 09:59:12 PM »

Time will tell...

But I think they know much more than they’re letting on. They’re not going to show all their cards in one go, and what they’ve shown already is extremely damning.

No-one knows what he told his mate when they were drinking in a bar and Madeleine’s photo came on the news. Drink loosens the tongue, and he may have said something about Maddie’s abduction that only the abductor could know. The police definitely believe she’s dead, and even know how she was killed. So how do they know that when they haven’t found her body?

It’s also strange that the little German girl who went missing five years ago from a holiday complex in woodland in Germany, and who’s never been found either, dogs never traced her scent either. The abductor obviously carried a case or large backpack coated with some kind of substance to prevent/disguise aromas from seeping out for digs to pick up. He sounds far more sophisticated than Bamber in his evil doings, but almost ALL murderers come unstuck somewhere because nothing is predictable.

I’d say in this evil psychopath’s case, where he was thick (in his panic) was reregistering his car the day after Maddie disappeared.

And despite having lived in Portugal almost 12 years he suddenly went back to Germany just a month or so after Maddie vanished. That’s not coincidence...

How do you know its not a coincidence?

The guy is being investigated to the umpth degree by the brit press but yet not one piece of evidence can link him to the disappearance save in the supporters eye's who desperately want it to be him.
He was in Luz at the time so what,so were three other people who the PJ made arguido's in 2014 at the behest of OG,who were found to have nothing to do with it,this'll be the same. Iminent arrest's were the headlines then,Madeleine is the gift that keeps giving and by gad don't the brit press love it.
There are appeals for info,clearly there is not enough if any evidence against him,OG are still of a mind that it is a missing persons investigation,not a murder enquiry.
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Offline Erngath

Re: Why now?
« Reply #134 on: June 06, 2020, 11:20:00 PM »
How do you know its not a coincidence?

The guy is being investigated to the umpth degree by the brit press but yet not one piece of evidence can link him to the disappearance save in the supporters eye's who desperately want it to be him.
He was in Luz at the time so what,so were three other people who the PJ made arguido's in 2014 at the behest of OG,who were found to have nothing to do with it,this'll be the same. Iminent arrest's were the headlines then,Madeleine is the gift that keeps giving and by gad don't the brit press love it.
There are appeals for info,clearly there is not enough if any evidence against him,OG are still of a mind that it is a missing persons investigation,not a murder enquiry.

I'm a "supporter" who really, really doesn't want him to have been involved in Madeleine's disappearance.
He is being investigated by a current police investigation.
There must be a reason.

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