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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #465 on: June 22, 2020, 11:15:35 AM »

No, it’s your vivid imagination that’s bizarre

No bottle under Nevill’s arm

Blood pouring down the coal scuttle

He died in that position
It is really difficult to understand how he went into rigor mortis in the shape he did if he died in the position as he is portrayed in the photo.  I'll admit I don't have the answer as yet.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #466 on: June 22, 2020, 11:37:46 AM »
There were many hours between when Nevill was shot and when the photo was taken.  It seems unbelievable that he died in the position he was found in.

You say "Nevill died in the position he was found in."  No, No, No.  Impossible.

The photo proves how he was positioned at the time of the photograph that's all.

Rubbish.

All the blood from Nevill’s head shot had run down the coal scuttle!

You’re just looking at a photograph which isn’t particularly clear. Not one of the police officers thought Nevill was in a strange “impossible” position.

He was kneeling over with the coal scuttle supporting his head, and was balanced on an upturned chair
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #467 on: June 22, 2020, 11:46:18 AM »
Rubbish.

All the blood from Nevill’s head shot had run down the coal scuttle!

You’re just looking at a photograph which isn’t particularly clear. Not one of the police officers thought Nevill was in a strange “impossible” position.

He was kneeling over with the coal scuttle supporting his head, and was balanced on an upturned chair

Thank you for that post.  It certainly made me think whether my initial concept is correct.   
it will depend on what was holding Nevill up.  How straight were his legs?   Was it indicative of sitting on a chair or was he crouched, kneeling.   Do you think his knees were on the floor?
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Offline APRIL

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #468 on: June 22, 2020, 01:05:12 PM »
Thank you for that post.  It certainly made me think whether my initial concept is correct.   
it will depend on what was holding Nevill up.  How straight were his legs?   Was it indicative of sitting on a chair or was he crouched, kneeling.   Do you think his knees were on the floor?


Whose blood was running in rivers down the side of the coal skuttle if someone, already dead, had been positioned there? They surely could only have been going through the process of dying for their blood to be still running? Another thing which occurs to me is that Nevill isn't sitting in the upturned chair. It looks more as if he's been forced into position by the back of the chair being wedged into his backside'

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #469 on: June 22, 2020, 01:15:34 PM »

Whose blood was running in rivers down the side of the coal skuttle if someone, already dead, had been positioned there? They surely could only have been going through the process of dying for their blood to be still running? Another thing which occurs to me is that Nevill isn't sitting in the upturned chair. It looks more as if he's been forced into position by the back of the chair being wedged into his backside'
OK so do we agree that just about all the comments added to the photo on the Blue Forum are incorrect.



If he died sitting on the back of an upturned chair with his head in the coal scuttle, that would account for the blood on the scuttle and on the floor. 
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Offline APRIL

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #470 on: June 22, 2020, 02:05:44 PM »
OK so do we agree that just about all the comments added to the photo on the Blue Forum are incorrect.



If he died sitting on the back of an upturned chair with his head in the coal scuttle, that would account for the blood on the scuttle and on the floor.


To be perfectly honest, until now, I hadn't actually read any of those comments on the picture. Now I have, I can see we were being led into an erroneous way of thinking.

Offline Caroline

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #471 on: June 22, 2020, 03:47:26 PM »

To be perfectly honest, until now, I hadn't actually read any of those comments on the picture. Now I have, I can see we were being led into an erroneous way of thinking.

You know who wrote those don't you?

Offline APRIL

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #472 on: June 22, 2020, 04:35:53 PM »
You know who wrote those don't you?



Oh yes!.................'empty' words as usual. Par for the course

Offline Myster

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #473 on: June 22, 2020, 06:52:38 PM »


Oh yes!.................'empty' words as usual. Par for the course
I saw what you did there.  8(>((
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline APRIL

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #474 on: June 22, 2020, 06:57:37 PM »
I saw what you did there.  8(>((


Only just? Bit slow off the mark, there, Myster. MOST unlike you. I'll blame it on lockdown @)(++(* @)(++(*

Offline Myster

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #475 on: June 22, 2020, 07:10:45 PM »

Only just? Bit slow off the mark, there, Myster. MOST unlike you. I'll blame it on lockdown @)(++(* @)(++(*
Only just?... yeah, only just logged on since this morning.  Busy, busy, busy!
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #476 on: June 24, 2020, 03:07:57 AM »
I'll put all the things Clouseau has established together:

So what has Clouseau established to date?

1.  Blood trails on Sheila's arms prove she was upright at the time of the first shot to the lower neck.

2.  Sheila had no rigor mortis. at the time of the first photos.

3.  Clouseau doubts that the blood in the sound moderator got there by back spatter.

4. Clouseau proved that Sheila died last and much later than her adopted father?

5. Clouseau thinks Nevill was sitting on the back of a captain chair, and the killer shot him and he fell with is head into the coal skuttle.

6.  Nevill was then fatally shot again.

7.  The overweight bullets used are some sort of indicator of a third party.

8. Sheila's right arm looks to have scratch marks and bruises.

9.  The burn marks on Nevill's back are postulated to have been the result of hot slag falling on him during a repair session before the murders.

10.   It is unknown when Nevill Bamber actually finished work that night, when the others went off to bed they would have to leave at least one door unlocked for Nevill to come in.

11.  It is possible someone else arrives right up to the time of the alleged phone call 3:20 AM.  This person could enter the house without breaking and entering as the door/s were unlocked.

12. Early theory: If the 3rd party was invited in by Nevill, and was there when Sheila nutted off with the gun killing her two kids and shooting herself. They ring Jeremy. 3rd party then turns rogue and kills June and Nevill and finishes off Sheila.

13.   The struggle that the "third part" had with Nevill Bamber one tends to think of a male in a struggle over a gun.
So that eliminates Ann Eaton so look at all her statements.
Clouseau is saying Jeremy has an alibi so look at his statements.

14.  "Unless we know what time it was when Nevill Bamber finished work on the 6th August 1985, we don't know when the house was locked.  Therefore we don't know if Nevill had company when he returned after work.

15.  If Sheila kept on breathing after the first shot her body would have remained "warm", probably cooling slowly but not as rapid as if she had died (no muscular movement generating heat).
I'm saying the second shot was not taken straight after the first one IMO.   This would be factors that allowed Taff Jones to think Sheila committed murder-suicide, she was warmer and had no rigor mortis.

16.  If Sheila's last shot (shot 2) was suicidal the last ejected shell should be found under the gun, between the gun and her clothing.  It wasn't found there.  Proves second shot was fired by a third party.

17.  Clouseau says it looks like June Bamber has been placed in the main bedroom. (None of the bleedings connects wounds to blood on the floor near her body.)

18.  All of the first 4 shots into June Bamber were non-lethal shots, where the projectile had gone in and exited the body, so there wasn't much damage as such, so she was able to move and possibly get downstairs.

19.  If Nevill had been deceased for 4 hours before the police entered the building and they knocked him over into the coal skuttle, there is no way that the blood on the floor in the kitchen was Nevill's blood.  There would be no bleeding after such a long period postmortem.

20.  Summary of findings about Nevill Bamber.
    it has taken me a month or so to come to this conclusion.  Have another read about what I've said.

a.  Nevill was in an arched position held there by rigor mortis.  '
 
b.  The arched position his body adopted must have been enough to prevent primary flaccidity from falling to the ground.
 
c.  Had he been shot while seated on the back of the chair the killer may have made him balance in an upright seated position.
 
d.  Someone reckons they knocked him out of the chair as the team enters the building    Clouseau discounted that claim.

e.  If he was sitting in a chair nearer the door any blood from Nevill wouldn't be over the coal-scuttle.

f. But there is blood on the floor so who's was it?  Clouseau thinks some of it was Nevill Bamber's blood.

g.  The police say there were two bodies downstairs, so I propose they take June back up to where she was first shot in the bedroom.

h. The police are treating the whole scene as a murder-suicide so they are not treating the crime scene as suspicious.  They feel they have solved the crime so don't worry about things like covering blood and moving a body around.

21.  The big question to Clouseau is why didn't June and Nevill just flee outside the house and go to neighbours for help?
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Offline barrier

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #477 on: June 24, 2020, 05:58:49 AM »
21 Rob,split second decision fight or flee,not something to have time to think about,besides being shot kind of disabled the ability to run.
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Offline APRIL

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #478 on: June 24, 2020, 07:02:35 AM »
21 Rob,split second decision fight or flee,not something to have time to think about,besides being shot kind of disabled the ability to run.


Yes, there's a third stance. It fits neatly between fight or flight. It's FREEZE.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Inspector Clouseau takes on the Bamber case.
« Reply #479 on: June 24, 2020, 08:54:19 AM »

Yes, there's a third stance. It fits neatly between fight or flight. It's FREEZE.
From my days as a kid on the farm I think Bulls would make me freeze.  You can't fight them and you can't outrun them.  So you freeze behind something and hope they didn't smell you.
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