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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #285 on: July 08, 2020, 10:43:25 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/08/gun-deaths-affect-more-white-men-than-black-men/
A bullet lays beside an evidence marker at a crime scene in the Brooklyn borough of New York City on Sunday.
A bullet lays beside an evidence marker at a crime scene in the Brooklyn borough of New York City on Sunday. (Lloyd Mitchell/Reuters)
The “what about black-on-black crime” rejoinder usually is meant to imply that African Americans are indifferent to the thousands of young black men — and increasingly, black children — who are slain every year in gun violence. It insinuates that black people blithely accept killings by our own that have racked some communities for decades and only take to the streets when the crime is committed by white police officers.

Long before March for Our Lives and Black Lives Matter dominated the headlines in recent years, African Americans were marching in crime-ridden neighborhoods to protest the killings. Davon McNeal, an 11-year-old fatally shot in Washington, D.C., on July 4, had just left an anti-violence community event when he was hit by a bullet. The event was put together by his mother, Crystal McNeal, who works as a “violence interrupter,” a job that has been created in several urban areas with a goal to mediate neighborhood disputes in an attempt to break the cycle of retaliatory killings. Black citizens have formed hundreds of such organizations to save teens so often caught up in that world. Black artists have written songs and made movies, urging youths to stop the violence.

Many black people, desperate to stem the homicide rate that spiraled in the ’90s, even supported the Clinton crime bill, although some now criticize it as having hurt the black community more than it helped. A Gallup survey in 1994 found that nonwhite citizens favored it to a greater degree than white citizens, 58 percent compared with 49 percent.

As a group, African Americans are consistently more likely to be concerned about crime than white Americans. They also are the staunchest supporters of tougher gun control laws, with 72 percent saying that controlling gun ownership is more important than protecting gun rights, compared with 40 percent of white people.

White men, in fact, are the demographic most likely to oppose gun control laws of any kind, although statistics show that they might benefit most from them.

That’s because the majority of the gun deaths in the United States are not homicides but suicides, and white men account for 74 percent of them. More than 288,000 white males fatally shot themselves between 1999 and 2018, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Having access to a gun triples the risk of death by suicide. In other words, if white men didn’t have so many guns, they would be much less likely to die.

Despite the evidence, 60 percent of white Americans say gun ownership does more to protect people from crime than to put their personal safety at risk (35 percent), according to Pew. Black people by a similar margin (56 percent to 37 percent) say that gun ownership does more to endanger people’s personal safety.

While most violent crime has fallen dramatically since the early 1990s, gun violence began rising again in recent years. In 2018, the most recent year for complete data, more than 22,000 Americans intentionally killed themselves with a gun and about 11,000 people were gun homicide victims. The suicide numbers inched up from the previous year, while homicides were down slightly.

Efforts to reduce firearms deaths have been hindered not by community indifference but by a Congress afraid to cross the National Rifle Association and gun-rights supporters. Federally funded research into gun violence solutions ground to a halt after lawmakers passed the Dickey Amendment in 1996. The provision, pushed by the NRA, cut funding for the Centers for Disease Control’s study of the issue out of fear that it would be seen as federal agencies advocating for gun control.

Even faced with repeated mass shootings that have killed hundreds of innocent people, including schoolchildren, Congress has refused to act. That’s how strongly Republicans and some otherwise liberal Democrats fear offending white voters in swing states more concerned with protecting Second Amendment rights than saving lives, including their own.

Suicide affects white males in nearly every age group, with numbers beginning to rise in the late teen years and peaking in the mid-to-late 50s. But the rate remains high even among men in their 70s and 80s. The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention says that suicide most often is the result of treatable mental health issues and is related to brain functions that affect decision-making and behavioral control. As with the homicide rate, however, the reasons behind suicide are more complicated than a single issue. “Life stresses combined with known risk factors, such as childhood trauma, substance use — or even chronic physical pain — can contribute” to someone taking their life, the AFSP said.

Similarly, research has found that many young black men — the group most likely to be perpetrators and victims of gun homicides — suffer from a condition similar to PTSD, brought on by repeated exposure to violence, extreme poverty, high unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse and other social ills that create a sense of hopelessness. A 2017 report in the Guardian newspaper found that much of America’s gun homicide problem “happens in a relatively small number of predictable places, often driven by predictable groups of high-risk people, and its burden is anything but random.”

With so much media focus on urban homicides — many local news outlets keep a running tally — suicide, which kills twice as many people, gets comparatively less coverage. Some argue that suicide is a private matter that doesn’t impact the broader community. Prevention experts discourage news media from reporting intimate details of suicide cases because research has found that can lead to imitation in vulnerable people. But even general news stories about suicide have tended to focus more on the increasing rates among other demographic groups than on white men’s stark over-representation in the statistics. That seems to be changing now as the numbers climb. Still, the result of such historically lopsided coverage is that the public face of gun violence in this country is that of a young black man rather than a middle-aged white one.

“Reporting the truth about who’s committing suicide would require acknowledging that the contemporary narrative — in which men in general and white men in particular are a universally privileged class and have no legitimate problems — is false,” columnist Armin Brott wrote last year in a health and wellness newsletter.

When white men respond to their life circumstances with gun violence, it’s treated as a public health problem, brought on by mental illness and stress. When black men do, it’s portrayed almost solely as a criminal issue, caused by lawlessness and moral failing. The multiplier in both epidemics is lawmakers’ blind devotion to the NRA. Zealously protecting their right to bear arms has come at a huge cost, and as quiet as it is kept, it’s not just the black community that is paying.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #286 on: July 10, 2020, 01:27:20 AM »

Putting up posters displaying the phrase  'It's okay to be white' is now considered a hate crime worthy of police investigation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-53246478

What are we to make of this?

Is it not okay to be white?

That seems rather racist to me.
Free Christian Brueckner.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #287 on: July 11, 2020, 08:53:49 PM »
The racism of socialism

https://fee.org/articles/anti-racists-should-think-twice-about-allying-with-socialism/

I always take every opportunity to point out that Nazis were National Socialists so, socialist are more nazi than I every could be! But oh...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #288 on: July 11, 2020, 09:03:53 PM »
I think you’re conflating BLM supporters with rioters and looters.  There may well be an overlap, but to say that genuine BLM supporters don’t give a toss about actual black lives is ridiculous IMO.

I disagree with that VS.

 Many blacks do not subscribe to the political where for all with BLM. Many shun it and denounce it. now they lose jobs and homes because of speaking up against a very small minority, and this is because as Spammers points out BLM is a political movement and they require 'useful idiots' to carry out their fund raining hell raising agenda!

I also agree that if BLM really thought black mattered they would look at themselves as a community and stop the crime if they do not want the 'white police' to try and stop it. Because many black folks are sick of having to live in crime ridden thug controlled areas!  Many black women are fretful of their children being 'adopted' by brotherhoods in neighborhoods- who incidentally 'hate the police' for 'picking' on them.

Those gorgeous little girls deserved better- shame on the BML for not mentioning it.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #289 on: July 11, 2020, 11:40:04 PM »
I disagree with that VS.

 Many blacks do not subscribe to the political where for all with BLM. Many shun it and denounce it. now they lose jobs and homes because of speaking up against a very small minority, and this is because as Spammers points out BLM is a political movement and they require 'useful idiots' to carry out their fund raining hell raising agenda!

I also agree that if BLM really thought black mattered they would look at themselves as a community and stop the crime if they do not want the 'white police' to try and stop it. Because many black folks are sick of having to live in crime ridden thug controlled areas!  Many black women are fretful of their children being 'adopted' by brotherhoods in neighborhoods- who incidentally 'hate the police' for 'picking' on them.

Those gorgeous little girls deserved better- shame on the BML for not mentioning it.
Black Lives Matter exists to address the issue of racism against blacks, specifically institutionalised racism in organisations like the police.  So demanding BLM focus on the issue of black on black crimes is missing the point somewhat.  I have no doubt that you can be a BLM supporter AND care deeply about the issue of b on b crime, it’s about finding the right ways of addressing the issue, and the article I posted above touches on that.   I do agree that BLM is a now far left political movement even if that’s not how it started out, and that its agenda is worrying for blacks and whites alike. 
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“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #290 on: July 12, 2020, 12:18:43 AM »
Black Lives Matter exists specially to address the issue of racism against blacks, specifically institutionalised racism in organisations like the police.  So demanding BLM focus on the issue of black on black crimes is missing the point somewhat.  I have no doubt that you can be a BLM supporter AND care deeply about the issue of b on b crime, it’s about finding the right ways of addressing the issue, and the article I posted above touches on that.   I do agree that BLM is a now far left political movement even if that’s not how it started out, and that its agenda is worrying for blacks and whites alike.

Yes, and as with  institutionalised racism, and cultural profiling which is abhorrent and should be addressed. This is a policing issue,individual officers behaving like that, not with the blessing of the public in general or their Commanding officers. So white people do not have to accept responsibility for their crimes!  However, this has grown into something much bigger and deadlier.

I had this discussion with my husband who isn't white.  He was very honest about what it feels like being the target of racists-(Not the idiot name calling and chants for the sake of it) he described it as, you know that feeling of being a woman who has to put up with unwanted groping on tubes,workplace etc and you feel belittled and self conscious and aware people, mainly men think it is ok? that is the same feeling.  I thanked him for acknowledging discrimination- as that is what real racism is and not the name calling. He also confirmed that in many countries name calling is rife among different factions- no one died from name calling- people died through hatred of others ideology! aint that the truth.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #291 on: July 13, 2020, 02:12:53 PM »

BBC Children in Need has announced it will be matching Stormzy in pledging £10m to fight racial inequality in the UK.

It'll donate the money over 10 years and work with Radio 1Xtra to develop young black talent in the media.

Stormzy says the money will help "in supporting and strengthening the young black community".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53388774

I heard this news on the radio today & thought.....


Could we have a white celebrity donate to & create a fund to support & develop exclusively young white talent in media ?

Or might that be considered a bit racist?

Free Christian Brueckner.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #292 on: July 13, 2020, 02:19:54 PM »
BBC Children in Need has announced it will be matching Stormzy in pledging £10m to fight racial inequality in the UK.

It'll donate the money over 10 years and work with Radio 1Xtra to develop young black talent in the media.

Stormzy says the money will help "in supporting and strengthening the young black community".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53388774

I heard this news on the radio today & thought.....


Could we have a white celebrity donate to & create a fund to support & develop exclusively young white talent in media ?

Or might that be considered a bit racist?


Yes, very racist, because no people with black skin have managed to get any success in the Uk  media or anywhere else due to being held back and not developed/supported properly.

Sport
music
no blacks are allowed to take part due to racism.  oh wait...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #293 on: July 19, 2020, 09:02:18 AM »
An example of the world we live in today

“An eminent professor of history asserts that not absolutely everything about colonialism was bad, even if in general it was “bad”. He is denounced by all of his colleagues as a white supremacist and a petition is got up to have him defrocked, or whatever you do to dodgy academics. And yet the suggestion “not everything that came from colonialism was bad” is patently true — even if it was only the building of a railway, or a bridge, or a school — and his infuriated colleagues know this. But they cannot bear to accept it because it introduces that awful thing, nuance.

As Orwell had it, in a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act”.

Rod Liddle today’s ST
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #294 on: July 19, 2020, 09:49:35 PM »
An example of the world we live in today

“An eminent professor of history asserts that not absolutely everything about colonialism was bad, even if in general it was “bad”. He is denounced by all of his colleagues as a white supremacist and a petition is got up to have him defrocked, or whatever you do to dodgy academics. And yet the suggestion “not everything that came from colonialism was bad” is patently true — even if it was only the building of a railway, or a bridge, or a school — and his infuriated colleagues know this. But they cannot bear to accept it because it introduces that awful thing, nuance.

As Orwell had it, in a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act”.

Rod Liddle today’s ST

And sadly he isn't the only one.

This is a very good write up ok daily mai,l but still, very to the point. Don't read if you are a left wing nazi.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8537583/JOHN-GRAY-not-exaggeration-compare-methods-new-woke-movement-Maos-Red-Guards.html
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #295 on: July 19, 2020, 10:40:57 PM »
And sadly he isn't the only one.

This is a very good write up ok daily mai,l but still, very to the point. Don't read if you are a left wing nazi.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8537583/JOHN-GRAY-not-exaggeration-compare-methods-new-woke-movement-Maos-Red-Guards.html
Left wing Nazis are the ones who need to read this article and then explain why they think cancel culture and shutting down free speech is such a good idea.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: British History Matters!
« Reply #296 on: July 20, 2020, 11:13:37 AM »
Left wing Nazis are the ones who need to read this article and then explain why they think cancel culture and shutting down free speech is such a good idea.

Yes. wouldn't it be great if someone from the MSN did ASK those difficult questions. Although, It looks like we are too late the foot soldiers have been brainwashed already.
Who would be eliminated when the powers that be (not known to them,YET) have no further use for those 'useful idiots'.

The Thunberg cult will disperse when parents die and they have to do EVERYTHING for themselves.

It is also interesting there were no riots and kneeling when it was shown that two non white billionaires were using cheap labour with harsh working conditions to make  'designer' clothes. Funny that!

Cancel culture? I want more of the same- cancel funding to 'universities' which are not really academic places of learning. Just old done up collages.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin