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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2020, 11:11:46 PM »
That is a lot of bullets..a lot of noise.and are we still thinking a silencer wasn't used?
Does anyone know?

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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2020, 11:12:12 PM »
That is a lot of bullets..a lot of noise.and are we still thinking a silencer wasn't used?

What was the decibel with and without silencer?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.

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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2020, 11:17:12 PM »
What was the decibel with and without silencer?
They were low velocity .22 bullets so not a lot of noise really.
https://youtu.be/ohD8FT5Fs6c
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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2020, 12:52:13 AM »
"60. Found in or just outside the bedroom were thirteen cartridge cases. Seven would account for the shots into June Bamber, two for the wounds suffered by Sheila Caffell, leaving four cartridge cases that had been fired at Nevill Bamber. Three further cartridge cases were found in the kitchen, with a further case on the stairs leading up from the kitchen. If one accepts that the four shots to the head which would have immobilised and killed Nevill Bamber were fired in the kitchen where his body was recovered, it would follow that he had received the less serious injuries upstairs in the bedroom and was then able to make his way downstairs where he was subsequently killed."

So the Court must have been given evidence that the first 3 shots to Nevill Bamber were received while he was in the main bedroom.  So when we look at the floor all covered with blood spots a lot of them may be from Nevill's wounds rather than June even though she is lying on top of them.

There is a pattern here with the first shots fired into June and Nevill that appear to be non-lethal maiming type shots.  If these were fired by Sheila, was she really not intending to kill her parents?

But that would still mean the shots into June and Nevill would have to be from the first magazine for it takes a bit of time to reload a magazine, time and two hands from experience.
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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2020, 02:45:30 AM »
So Sheila has a near empty gun and the bullets to reload the magazine are down in the kitchen but so are both her parents, wounded but still on their feet.  How is she going to reload the magazine?

Maybe it is at that point she decides to commit suicide, but how many bullets did she have left?  One each for the kids and one for herself.  That's 10 and that is all there was.

But then who does all the rest?  That is the question.  But after that, it is a series of lethal shots and a fight.

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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2020, 08:06:32 AM »
Wikipedia:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Farm_murders#June_and_Nevill_Bamber

"The couple gave the children a good home and private education, but June was intensely religious and tried to force her children and grandchildren to adopt the same ideas. She had a poor relationship with Sheila, who felt June disapproved of her, and June's relationship with Jeremy was so troubled that he had apparently stopped speaking to her.[9] Sheila's ex-husband was concerned about the effect June was having on his sons. She made them kneel and pray with her, which upset him and the boys."

Daniel and Nicholas Caffell
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"A week-long visit to White House Farm had been arranged for the August at the Bambers' request; the plan was that the boys would visit their grandparents with Sheila before going on holiday to Norway with their father. Daniel and Nicholas were reluctant to stay at the farm. They disliked that June made them pray, and in the car on the way asked their father to speak to her about it. In addition Daniel had become a vegetarian and was worried about being forced to eat meat.[15][16] When their father dropped them off at the house on 4 August, it was the last time he saw them. The boys are buried together in Highgate Cemetery. Sheila was cremated, and the urn with her ashes was placed in their coffin.[17]

Sheila Caffell:

.... "In 1974, when she was 17, she discovered she was pregnant by Colin Caffell. The Bambers arranged an abortion. Her relationship with her mother deteriorated significantly that summer, when June found Sheila and Colin sunbathing naked in a field. June reportedly started calling Sheila the "devil's child", which a psychiatrist identified as the trigger for Sheila's paranoid delusions about having been taken over by the devil.[22]

Sheila continued with her secretarial course, then trained as a hairdresser, and briefly found work as a model with the Lucie Clayton agency, which included two months' work in Tokyo.[23] She got pregnant again, and she and Colin married at Chelmsford Register Office in May 1977 when Sheila was 20, but she lost the baby at six months.[24] The Bambers bought the couple a garden flat in Carlingford Road, Hampstead, to help Sheila recuperate.[25] She suffered another miscarriage, then on 22 June 1979, after four months of bed rest in hospital, she gave birth to the twins. At around this time, Colin began an affair, one that led to his leaving Sheila five months after the birth. Sheila became increasingly upset; on one occasion, when Colin left her 21st birthday party with another woman, she required hospital treatment after breaking a window with her fist.[23][26] The couple divorced in May 1982.[12]"

Health
Sheila's mental health continued to decline, with episodes of banging her head against walls.[30] In 1983, her family doctor referred her to Dr. Hugh Ferguson, the psychiatrist who had treated June. Ferguson said she was in an agitated state, paranoid and psychotic. She was admitted to St Andrew's Hospital, a private psychiatric facility in Northampton, where she was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder,[31] although Ferguson said this diagnosis was a mistake, and that in his view she was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.[32]

Ferguson wrote that Sheila believed the devil had given her the power to project evil onto others, and that she could make her sons have sex and cause violence with her. She called them the "devil's children", the phrase June had used of Sheila, and said she believed she was capable of murdering them or of getting them to kill others. She spoke about suicide, although the court heard that Ferguson did not regard her as a suicide risk. She was discharged in September 1983.[31] He continued treating her as an outpatient with trifluoperazine, an antipsychotic drug.[33] She was re-admitted to St Andrew's in March 1985, five months before the murders, after a psychotic episode in which she believed herself to be in direct communication with God and that certain people, including her boyfriend, were trying to hurt or kill her.[34] She was discharged just under four weeks later, and as an outpatient received a monthly injection of haloperidol, an antipsychotic drug that has a sedative effect.[35] From that point, the twins lived all or most of the time with Colin in Kilburn. According to Bamber, the family discussed placing the boys in daytime foster care over dinner on the night of the murders, with little response from Sheila.[36]

Despite Sheila's erratic mental state, her psychiatrist told the court that the kind of violence necessary to commit the murders was not consistent with his view of her. In particular, he said he did not believe she would have killed her father or children, because her difficult relationship was confined to her mother.[37] Her ex-husband said the same: that, despite her tendency to throw things and sometimes hit him, she had never harmed the children.[38] June Bamber's sister, Pamela Boutflour, testified that Sheila was not a violent person and that she had never known her to use a gun; June's niece, Ann Eaton, told the court that Sheila did not know how to use one.[39] Bamber disputed this, telling police on the night of the shooting, as they stood outside the house, that he and Sheila had gone target shooting together. He acknowledged later that he had not seen her fire a gun as an adult.[40]"

June
June's body and clothing were heavily bloodstained; she was found in her nightdress with bare feet. The police believe she had been sitting up during part of the attack, based on the pattern of blood on her clothing. She was found lying on the floor by the door of the master bedroom. She had been shot seven times. One shot to her forehead, between her eyes, was fired from under one foot away. That and another shot to the right side of her head would both have caused her death quickly, the court heard. There were also shots to the right side of her lower neck, her right forearm, and two injuries on the right side of her chest and right knee

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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2020, 11:45:06 AM »
Summing up my observations again:
"There is a pattern here with the first shots fired into June and Nevill appear to be non-lethal maiming type shots.  If these were fired by Sheila was she really not intending to kill her parents.

But that would still mean the shots into June and Nevill would have to be from the first magazine for it takes a bit of time to reload a magazine, time and two hands from experience.

So Sheila has a near-empty gun and the bullets to reload the magazine are down in the kitchen but so are both her parents now, wounded but still on their feet.  How is she going to reload the magazine?

Maybe it is at that point she decides to commit suicide, but how many bullets did she have left?  One for each of the kids and one for herself.  That's 10 and that is all the shell that there was in the magazine.

But then who does all the rest?  (25 Bullets fired)  That is the question.  But after that, it is a series of lethal shots and a fight.
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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2020, 01:13:28 PM »
Summing up my observations again:
"There is a pattern here with the first shots fired into June and Nevill appear to be non-lethal maiming type shots.  If these were fired by Sheila was she really not intending to kill her parents.

But that would still mean the shots into June and Nevill would have to be from the first magazine for it takes a bit of time to reload a magazine, time and two hands from experience.

So Sheila has a near-empty gun and the bullets to reload the magazine are down in the kitchen but so are both her parents now, wounded but still on their feet.  How is she going to reload the magazine?

Maybe it is at that point she decides to commit suicide, but how many bullets did she have left?  One for each of the kids and one for herself.  That's 10 and that is all the shell that there was in the magazine.

But then who does all the rest?  (25 Bullets fired)  That is the question.  But after that, it is a series of lethal shots and a fight.

I give up!

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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2020, 01:48:51 PM »
I give up!


I canít be bothered to even read it...

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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2020, 05:10:49 PM »

I canít be bothered to even read it...
Well, there you go.  Blinded by the truth as they say.
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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2020, 05:14:05 PM »
Well, there you go.  Blinded by the truth as they say.


OR!! Perhaps blinded by a refusal to see it?

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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2020, 05:33:03 PM »

OR!! Perhaps blinded by a refusal to see it?
I'll look at whatever anyone gives me.   If Caroline has coloured photos shes sitting on let's see them, please.
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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2020, 06:59:13 PM »
Well, there you go.  Blinded by the truth as they say.


What?!!

Blinded by the truth?

You havenít got a CLUE, let alone know whatís true.

You know absolutely nothing about this case; you go on and on and on asking pointless questions that were all answered and established 35 years ago.

Then you come out with THE most ludicrous scenarios youíve played out inside your head, and expect people to respond!

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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2020, 07:03:27 PM »

What?!!

Blinded by the truth?

You havenít got a CLUE, let alone know whatís true.

You know absolutely nothing about this case; you go on and on and on asking pointless questions that were all answered and established 35 years ago.

Then you come out with THE most ludicrous scenarios youíve played out inside your head, and expect people to respond!


Well, nobody is forced to respond.

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Re: What can we know about the death of June Bamber?
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2020, 07:15:50 PM »

Well, nobody is forced to respond.


They donít need to ó he replies to himself.
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.