“A Laughable Story”

[Vertigo Swirl]

What they did was start bad mouthing the police immediately. That didn't help anyone, including themselves.

Can we have a cite of them bad mouthing the police immediately, and how this hindered the search for Madeleine please. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Fiona Payne said they weren't functioning, but you seem to believe that within a couple of hours they knew what had happened to their daughter and had worked out exactly who to call to help them. They seem to have been functioning incredibly well and with breathtaking speed in my opinion.

So are you criticising Fiona Payne for her description, or the MCcCanns for getting their act together sufficiently quickly enough to reach to people they believed could help?

[pathfinder73]

The topic is what aspects of the abduction theory do sceptics find laughable and why.  I haven’t read one sensible on topic post sincecI asked the question.

Prints found on the alleged open window. There was no reason to open a window. There were regular checks that night according to the group. Nobody had time to squeeze through cots in the dark never mind risk waking other children, leaving evidence and wasting precious time they did not have to open a window when there was a quicker and safer front door exit. The front door was recessed, the window was open to the world! The window is indeed laughable.

An abduction in that time frame was highly unlikely and a 3 times moving door in the same time frame confirms it. It is impossible for an abductor to move a door 3 times between 3 separate checks. Impossible!

Leaving the twins again    A mother would not leave her other defenceless children if they were in possible danger! One has gone but I'll leave the others as well. That does not add up!

How could Madeleine disappear from that apartment? Who had the best opportunity to remove her? How could you move Madeleine away without being seen? What route and time is the safest and where would you go? How can the door move 3 times? Answer questions like these and you will be on the right path.

Present your incriminating evidence that a stranger was responsible?

[Vertigo Swirl]

What is suspicious about a parent believing straight away that their child has been taken by a stranger?  Are sceptics who criticise the McCanns for deciding this is what happened to Madeleine and for “setting about convincing the world”of such telling us that such a thought never crossed the minds of any other parents of a child that suddenly goes missing?

[Mr Gray]

Prints found on the alleged open window. There was no reason to open a window. There were regular checks that night according to the group. Nobody had time to squeeze through cots in the dark never mind risk waking other children, leaving evidence and wasting precious time they did not have to open a window when there was a quicker and safer front door exit. The front door was recessed, the window was open to the world! The window is indeed laughable.

An abduction in that time frame was highly unlikely and a 3 times moving door in the same time frame confirms it. It is impossible for an abductor to move a door 3 times between 3 separate checks. Impossible!

Leaving the twins again    A mother would not leave her other defenceless children if they were in possible danger! One has gone but I'll leave the others as well. That does not add up!

How could Madeleine disappear from that apartment? Who had the best opportunity to remove her? How could you move Madeleine away without being seen? What route and time is the safest and where would you go? How can the door move 3 times? Answer questions like these and you will be on the right path.

Present your incriminating evidence that a stranger was responsible?

HCW says he, has the evidence

[pathfinder73]

What is suspicious about a parent believing straight away that their child has been taken by a stranger?  Are sceptics who criticise the McCanns for deciding this is what happened to Madeleine and for “setting about convincing the world”of such telling us that such a thought never crossed the minds of any other parents of a child that suddenly goes missing?

How do you know the abductor is not going to come back again? You can use your phone and call your husband.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Prints found on the alleged open window. There was no reason to open a window. There were regular checks that night according to the group. Nobody had time to squeeze through cots in the dark never mind risk waking other children, leaving evidence and wasting precious time they did not have to open a window when there was a quicker and safer front door exit. The front door was recessed, the window was open to the world! The window is indeed laughable.

An abduction in that time frame was highly unlikely and a 3 times moving door in the same time frame confirms it. It is impossible for an abductor to move a door 3 times between 3 separate checks. Impossible!

Leaving the twins again    A mother would not leave her other defenceless children if they were in possible danger! One has gone but I'll leave the others as well. That does not add up!

How could Madeleine disappear from that apartment? Who had the best opportunity to remove her? How could you move Madeleine away without being seen? What route and time is the safest and where would you go? How can the door move 3 times? Answer questions like these and you will be on the right path.

Present your incriminating evidence that a stranger was responsible?

The open window is laughable in your opinion, but as burglars have entered or exited apartments via windows thousands of times without leaving incriminating evidence, in my opinion there is nothing to rule out the possibility that an abductor opened the window, and the reasons for doing so are not limited to entering or leaving.

The moving door thing is a complete red herring that you are fixated on and which I find completely laughable, and can be explained by a draught, imprecise language, mistaken recollection and certainly does not rule out a stranger in the apartment, if anything it could support the theory.

Leaving the twins is another nothing reason IMO.  Discussed recently and seriously not worth the bother arguing about again.  A pathetic reason for dismisding the abduction theory imo.

The Met ascertained that there was a window of opportunity for Madeleine to have been removed from the apartment that night, something which could have been carried out in less than 3 minutes, either with or without an accomplice, and she could have been bundled into a parked car nearby and removed from the town within five minutes of being taken from her bed.   Now tell us why that is laughable.

[Vertigo Swirl]

How do you know the abductor is not going to come back again? You can use your phone and call your husband.

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[Erngath]

How do you know the abductor is not going to come back again? You can use your phone and call your husband.

Is this one of your indicators of Madeleine`s parents being involved in her disappearance?

[pathfinder73]

The open window is laughable in your opinion, but as burglars have entered or exited apartments via windows thousands of times without leaving incriminating evidence, in my opinion there is nothing to rule out the possibility that an abductor opened the window, and the reasons for doing so are not limited to entering or leaving.

The moving door thing is a complete red herring that you are fixated on and which I find completely laughable, and can be explained by a draught, imprecise language, mistaken recollection and certainly does not rule out a stranger in the apartment, if anything it could support the theory.

Leaving the twins is another nothing reason IMO.  Discussed recently and seriously not worth the bother arguing about again.  A pathetic reason for dismisding the abduction theory imo.

The Met ascertained that there was a window of opportunity for Madeleine to have been removed from the apartment that night, something which could have been carried out in less than 3 minutes, either with or without an accomplice, and she could have been bundled into a parked car nearby and removed from the town within five minutes of being taken from her bed.   Now tell us why that is laughable.

Nobody went through that window. It was not used and therefore laughable.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Nobody went through that window. It was not used and therefore laughable.

Whether or not anyone went through that window (and you can’t possibly know definitely one way or the other) is moot. The open window does not mean an abduction is laughable, quite the reverse IMO.

[Anthro]

Fiona Payne said they weren't functioning, but you seem to believe that within a couple of hours they knew what had happened to their daughter and had worked out exactly who to call to help them. They seem to have been functioning incredibly well and with breathtaking speed in my opinion.

I agree. They probably realised right from the beginning that time is of the essence in locating their small child.

[Anthro]

Prints found on the alleged open window. There was no reason to open a window. There were regular checks that night according to the group. Nobody had time to squeeze through cots in the dark never mind risk waking other children, leaving evidence and wasting precious time they did not have to open a window when there was a quicker and safer front door exit. The front door was recessed, the window was open to the world! The window is indeed laughable.

An abduction in that time frame was highly unlikely and a 3 times moving door in the same time frame confirms it. It is impossible for an abductor to move a door 3 times between 3 separate checks. Impossible!

Leaving the twins again    A mother would not leave her other defenceless children if they were in possible danger! One has gone but I'll leave the others as well. That does not add up!

How could Madeleine disappear from that apartment? Who had the best opportunity to remove her? How could you move Madeleine away without being seen? What route and time is the safest and where would you go? How can the door move 3 times? Answer questions like these and you will be on the right path.

Present your incriminating evidence that a stranger was responsible?

Surely not the Smithman route.

[Brietta]

Care to supply some of these ‘anguished photographs’ ?

Some are pleased to call the search for Madeleine "the McCann Circus".

But this is what they have lost and it is what they have strained every sinew on behalf for over thirteen years of pain, anguish and suffering.
They need to find out what happened to their daughter.  I don't know why it is thought acceptable to continue the hounding of this family and I don't know how it is possible to do so without giving a human thought to how distraught they must be as they watch the German connection developing day by day.

Most definitely not a 'circus' or in the least 'laughable'.

[Wonderfulspam]

Some are pleased to call the search for Madeleine "the McCann Circus".

But this is what they have lost and it is what they have strained every sinew on behalf for over thirteen years of pain, anguish and suffering.
They need to find out what happened to their daughter.  I don't know why it is thought acceptable to continue the hounding of this family and I don't know how it is possible to do so without giving a human thought to how distraught they must be as they watch the German connection developing day by day.

Most definitely not in the least 'laughable'.

"They need to find out what happened to their daughter."


Unless they already know.