Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Anthro]

Was Luz advertised as child friendly? By whom? Does that mean parents can take their children there and forget all the child protection measures they take at home, like locking doors and hiring baby sitters?

People's pasts can predict future behaviour, but not always. The case of Dr Miles Bradbury shows that. In the end it's evidence which convicts a criminal, not his or her CV.

Once again you are questioning the actions and beliefs of another member because you believe you're right and they're wrong. Even if you are, that doesn't give you the right to judge others and find them wanting.

Yes, by Mark Warner. Isn’t that exactly what the McCanns and their friends did in Praia da Luz re. your comment ‘protection measures taken at home‘? In my opinion, they trusted their checking on their children as opposed to the children being minded by someone else.

[Robittybob1]

Do you have a cite for this?

I do recall that in societies where it was permissible to show the location of known pedophiles, it was surprising that sex offenders were so frequent, and my gut feeling was that they could be as frequent as 100 meters apart.   

I can't recall the exact article, but it was most likely a YouTube video as I don't like reading newspaper articles online.

[Brietta]

Was Luz advertised as child friendly? By whom? Does that mean parents can take their children there and forget all the child protection measures they take at home, like locking doors and hiring baby sitters?

People's pasts can predict future behaviour, but not always. The case of Dr Miles Bradbury shows that. In the end it's evidence which convicts a criminal, not his or her CV.

Once again you are questioning the actions and beliefs of another member because you believe you're right and they're wrong. Even if you are, that doesn't give you the right to judge others and find them wanting.

I think it is way beyond time you took it on board that the McCanns are not suspects in Madeleine's disappearance but that Brueckner is.

[G-Unit]

well yes, because it means you think they are liars, but it’s not just that is it?  They are judged by you and others to be terrible parents, remember?

I know that Kate McCann wasn't sure that leaving the patio doors of 5A open was a good idea because she asked her friends for their opinions on 3rd May. I also know that she said later;

"If I'd had to think for one second about it, it wouldn't have happened. I never even had to think like that, to make the decision. It felt so safe that I didn't even have to - I mean, I don't think we took a risk.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleines-parents-we-were-wrong-to-believe-she-was-safe-alone-6610698.html

So not only did she neglect to mention that she did think about it and discuss it, she was still, despite the evidence, denying that it was risky. 

Do good parents ignore all the advice about the risks attached to leaving small children unsupervised? As doctors, had these two never faced upset parents explaining how they were only momentarily in another room but still their child managed to have an accident? Were they completely unaware that the home is one of the most dangerous places for small children?

The parents were keen on quoting US information about child abduction, but more children die there from accidents ar home;

Accidents at home claim the lives of six children in the U.S. each day (that's more than 2,200 a year) and send thousands of other children to the emergency room regularly, according to Safe Kids Worldwide. The only category of accidents that causes more fatal injuries? Motor vehicle crashes.
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home/renovation/a33636/home-hazards-for-children/

[Mr Gray]

I know that Kate McCann wasn't sure that leaving the patio doors of 5A open was a good idea because she asked her friends for their opinions on 3rd May. I also know that she said later;

"If I'd had to think for one second about it, it wouldn't have happened. I never even had to think like that, to make the decision. It felt so safe that I didn't even have to - I mean, I don't think we took a risk.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleines-parents-we-were-wrong-to-believe-she-was-safe-alone-6610698.html

So not only did she neglect to mention that she did think about it and discuss it, she was still, despite the evidence, denying that it was risky. 

Do good parents ignore all the advice about the risks attached to leaving small children unsupervised? As doctors, had these two never faced upset parents explaining how they were only momentarily in another room but still their child managed to have an accident? Were they completely unaware that the home is one of the most dangerous places for small children?

The parents were keen on quoting US information about child abduction, but more children die there from accidents ar home;

Accidents at home claim the lives of six children in the U.S. each day (that's more than 2,200 a year) and send thousands of other children to the emergency room regularly, according to Safe Kids Worldwide. The only category of accidents that causes more fatal injuries? Motor vehicle crashes.
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home/renovation/a33636/home-hazards-for-children/

This has all been discussed ad nauseam ..it's about time you realised there is a new prime suspect

[Anthro]

This has all been discussed ad nauseam ..it's about time you realised there is a new prime suspect

And ad infinitum.

[Brietta]

Was Luz advertised as child friendly? By whom? Does that mean parents can take their children there and forget all the child protection measures they take at home, like locking doors and hiring baby sitters?

People's pasts can predict future behaviour, but not always. The case of Dr Miles Bradbury shows that. In the end it's evidence which convicts a criminal, not his or her CV.

Once again you are questioning the actions and beliefs of another member because you believe you're right and they're wrong. Even if you are, that doesn't give you the right to judge others and find them wanting.

They most certainly did not promote Luz as a haven which harboured six hundred paedophiles.

[G-Unit]

Yes, by Mark Warner. Isn’t that exactly what the McCanns and their friends did in Praia da Luz re. your comment ‘protection measures taken at home‘? In my opinion, they trusted their checking on their children as opposed to the children being minded by someone else.

I don't know how Mark Warner advertised their holidays. I imagine child friendly described their packages rather than specific destinations.

If you trust someone to keep your child safe all day when swimming and sailing why on earth would you hesitate to trust them in the evening when the child's safely sleeping?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I know that Kate McCann wasn't sure that leaving the patio doors of 5A open was a good idea because she asked her friends for their opinions on 3rd May. I also know that she said later;

"If I'd had to think for one second about it, it wouldn't have happened. I never even had to think like that, to make the decision. It felt so safe that I didn't even have to - I mean, I don't think we took a risk.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleines-parents-we-were-wrong-to-believe-she-was-safe-alone-6610698.html

So not only did she neglect to mention that she did think about it and discuss it, she was still, despite the evidence, denying that it was risky. 

Do good parents ignore all the advice about the risks attached to leaving small children unsupervised? As doctors, had these two never faced upset parents explaining how they were only momentarily in another room but still their child managed to have an accident? Were they completely unaware that the home is one of the most dangerous places for small children?

The parents were keen on quoting US information about child abduction, but more children die there from accidents ar home;

Accidents at home claim the lives of six children in the U.S. each day (that's more than 2,200 a year) and send thousands of other children to the emergency room regularly, according to Safe Kids Worldwide. The only category of accidents that causes more fatal injuries? Motor vehicle crashes.
https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home/renovation/a33636/home-hazards-for-children/

Thanks for proving my point.

[Mr Gray]

I don't know how Mark Warner advertised their holidays. I imagine child friendly described their packages rather than specific destinations.

If you trust someone to keep your child safe all day when swimming and sailing why on earth would you hesitate to trust them in the evening when the child's safely sleeping?

Because you are leaving your children alone in the care of one person... children are regularly abused by babysitters

[Vertigo Swirl]

Because you are leaving your children alone in the care of one person... children are regularly abused by babysitters

Not only alone but in a private place, with no likelihood of being interrupted or observed.

[Mr Gray]

Not only alone but in a private place, with no likelihood of being interrupted or observed.

Why can't posters like gunit see this obvious fact..were thE baby sitters DBS checked

[Wonderfulspam]

Why can't posters like gunit see this obvious fact..were thE baby sitters DBS checked

A DBS proves nothing.

I have an enhanced DBS.

Need I say anymore?

[Robittybob1]

A DBS proves nothing.

I have an enhanced DBS.

Need I say anymore?

What is a DBS?

[Vertigo Swirl]

A DBS proves nothing.

I have an enhanced DBS.

Need I say anymore?

So would you let a stranger come into your house and look after your (hypothetical) kids while you were out?