Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Robittybob1]

In what way is that of any significance whatsoever..
Is it in any way connected to the title of the thread

It was Faithlilly who raised the issue of concerts and then ignored my requests for a cite.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11731.msg625367#msg625367  onward.

[Mr Gray]

It is all to do with circumstantial evidence.

Really..is that how obscure sceptics have to be...does that rate as evidence implicating the McCanns. In what way does it implicate them

[Robittybob1]

Really..is that how obscure sceptics have to be...does that rate as evidence implicating the McCanns. In what way does it implicate them

I suppose the PJ could consider the disappearance was done for monetary gain.  I don't know.  Maybe Faithlilly could explain why she raised the issue of organising concerts in this thread.   

It is not clear who organised the jazz concert. 

[Eleanor]

I suppose the PJ could consider the disappearance was done for monetary gain.  I don't know.  Maybe Faithlilly could explain why she raised the issue of organising concerts in this thread.   

It is not clear who organised the jazz concert.

Was there a Jazz Concert?

[Mr Gray]

I suppose the PJ could consider the disappearance was done for monetary gain.  I don't know.  Maybe Faithlilly could explain why she raised the issue of organising concerts in this thread.   

It is not clear who organised the jazz concert.

So the accident was planned for monetary gain?

It's totally ridiculous

[Eleanor]

So the accident was planned for monetary gain?

It's totally ridiculous

They have to think of some reason for their bizarre conclusions.  And this will run and run long after someone else is convicted, or confesses even.

Did The McCanns sell Madeleine to Bruecker, I wouldn't be surprised?

[faithlilly]

Really . . . providing a cite is as per forum rules?  I must remember to mention that to Gunit ~ she doesn't seem to have heard about that one.

I do have a cite ~ please see here ~ http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11772.msg625317#msg625317

But weirdly enough you have already replied to ~ "Fearing the media might "go off" the story at any time, the police organised a variety of headline-grabbing events - and in return, the public and the media displayed great willingness to help.

As the investigation entered its third week, the problem for the family and the police was how to keep it in the media spotlight. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/831699.stm
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11731.msg625346#msg625346

Quite obviously Sara Payne would never have given up on Sarah no matter how long it would have taken.  She suffered not knowing for three weeks and did everything she could for Sarah during that period.
The McCanns have suffered for thirteen+ years.

You're being a bit mischievous I think regarding your posts to me.  I'm finding it tedious yet again.  So please don't expect a direct response from me to your posts for some time ~ that way you won't be disappointed when I don't respond :)

Your cite doesn’t say that the Paynes organised concerts months in advance.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

this is part of what sceptics seem to think is evidence against the McCanns...the fact that the dogs alerted only in 5a and not the other four apartments...but looking at the times from the files the dgs only spent 3 miniutes in three apartments...5 in  another...but 50 in 5a. Did they only alert in 5a because they spent longer and were repeatedly called back to places they originally ignored.

5A:

From 8.30pm to 9.20pm, the dogs go through.
8.20pm: The cadaver dog, "marks," the couple's wardrobe area in the bedroom.
8.22pm: The cadaver dog, "marks" an area behind the sofa in the sitting room near the window overlooking the road.
From 8.47pm to 9.20pm, the blood detecting dog goes through.
8.10 (should it be 9.10?) The dog, "marks" an area of floor behind the sofa in the sitting room, near the window overlooking the road.

5B: 9.24 to 9.27pm: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5D: 9.29 to 9.34pm: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5H : 9.35 to 9.38pm : The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

4G : 9.42 to 9.45pm : The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

Your point would be valid if Eddie spent 50 minutes searching 5a before he gave his first alert and the other apartments were only afforded sub 5 minute searches without any alerts.
If Eddie gave an alert in 5a after let’s say 4 minutes after entering then that would fit the parameters of all the searches and render them all equitable.
So please inform us of your understanding of how long it took Eddie from the time of entry of 5a to the time of his first alert.

[Mr Gray]

Your point would be valid if Eddie spent 50 minutes searching 5a before he gave his first alert and the other apartments were only afforded sub 5 minute searches without any alerts.
If Eddie gave an alert in 5a after let’s say 4 minutes after entering then that would fit the parameters of all the searches and render them all equitable.
So please inform us of your understanding of how long it took Eddie from the time of entry of 5a to the time of his first alert.

it is still a valid point as you dont know the answer either. We know from the PJ files that eddie did not a;lert immediately to sites that initially he completely ignored..sometimes more than once...whic gave tthe PJ obsevers some doubts. It certainly is  apossible expalnation as to why eddie did not alert in the other apartments

[Icanhandlethetruth]

it is still a valid point as you dont know the answer either. We know from the PJ files that eddie did not a;lert immediately to sites that initially he completely ignored..sometimes more than once...whic gave tthe PJ obsevers some doubts. It certainly is  apossible expalnation as to why eddie did not alert in the other apartments

Eddie's search started at 20.16 and his first alert was at 20.20, his second was at 20.22 and Eddie’s search of 5a terminated at 20.30. So 4 minutes from entry to first alert.

[Mr Gray]

Eddie's search started at 20.16 and his first alert was at 20.20, his second was at 20.22 and Eddie’s search of 5a terminated at 20.30. So 4 minutes from entry to first alert.

Cite please
IF your figures are correct you have to concede in three out of four other apartments Eddie was only in there for three minutes. You also have to concede that in watching the dogs some doubts arose in the opinion of the pj

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Cite please
IF your figures are correct you have to concede in three out of four other apartments Eddie was only in there for three minutes. You also have to concede that in watching the dogs some doubts arose in the opinion of the pj

I thought you had read the official PJ files. The problem you may have is the reference you used originally is a blog by Anna Andress that was translated from French to English from a Belgian website that translated the original Portuguese to French. The timings are all wrong.
Read the original PJ document it’s all there.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm

[Robittybob1]

Was there a Jazz Concert?

Apparently so, the link had photos of Gerry attending.  It's all news to me, but is that so wrong?

[Robittybob1]

So the accident was planned for monetary gain?

It's totally ridiculous

Only you have said that.   But parents have disposed of their kids for every possible reason under the sun.   

[Mr Gray]

I thought you had read the official PJ files. The problem you may have is the reference you used originally is a blog by Anna Andress that was translated from French to English from a Belgian website that translated the original Portuguese to French. The timings are all wrong.
Read the original PJ document it’s all there.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DOGS_INSPECTION.htm

In apartment 5A:
* between 20h16 (typing error in the report shows 21h16) and 20h30 the "cadaver" dog alerted:
- at 20h20 in the area of the wardrobe of the main bedroom
- at 20h22 in the lounge, specifically behind the sofa next to the window that overlooks the street.


That doesnt say what time the dog entered the apartment.....then we still have the fact that the PJ had some doubts about the alerts...then we have eddie repeatedly being called back to the Renault...then we have grime saying he didnt know it was the mccanns car when its plastered with posters of Maddie...that is  a lorra lorra doubt