Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Eleanor]

How long does a body have to lie before cadaver is produced? truth is no one knows, controlled experiments show X,real terms?

The fresh stage of decay kicks off about four minutes after death. Once the heart has stopped beating, the cells in the body are deprived of oxygen. As carbon dioxide and waste products build up, the cells start to break down as a result of enzymatic processes – these are known as autolysis. Initial visual signs of decomposition are minimal, although as autolysis progresses blisters and sloughing of skin may occur.

https://www.compoundchem.com/2014/10/30/decompositionodour/

What?  Nearly three months later?  And after the appartment had been occupied several times and supposedly cleaned several times.

You might as well say that Block Five was built on an old graveyard.

[Eleanor]

Best not join in then.

Not your right to say.

[Vertigo Swirl]

What?  Nearly three months later?  And after the appartment had been occupied several times and supposedly cleaned several times.

You might as well say that Block Five was built on an old graveyard.

And who's to say that 50,000 years earlier a neanderthal didn't club his missus to death on that exact same spot and left her body in situ for 4 minutes before chucking her in a bin down the road?  Eddie might have been alerting to that.  These dogs are amazing you know.

[Eleanor]

And who's to say that 50,000 years earlier a neanderthal didn't club his missus to death on that exact same spot and left her body in situ for 4 minutes before chucking her in a bin down the road?  Eddie might have been alerting to that.  These dogs are amazing you know.

These dogs always were better at scenting prehistoric remains.  The longer the better.

Now, My O'Conner wouldn't be fooled.  He can find anything Dead in about two minutes.  And tell you who dunit.  Actually, most dogs can.  You don't need a Cadaver Dog to do this.

No, I don't have a lot of faith in the superior qualities of Cadaver Dogs.  Most corpses are found by ordinary people walking their very ordinary dogs.

I remain appalled by the damage done by Martin Grime.

[G-Unit]

Excuse me.  America already had a Cadaver Dog Programme.  Grime didn't invent it.  What a laugh to suggest he did.

However, American Courts were a bit more honest about the possible failings of Cadaver Dogs.

No person should ever be Convicted on the dubious evidence of such a dog.

It was the FBI, not America.

Timesonline December 2005

Mr Ellis and Mr Grimes came up with a special training regime to focus on Keela's remarkable skills. It has proved so successful that the FBI has inquired about it. "The FBI is very interested in how we work because they don't have this sort of facility in-house and they are looking at setting up their own unit," Mr Ellis said.https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm

America had no national standards for training and handling cadaver dogs, which is why the FBI decided to set up their own programme.

14/09/2007
"The FBI considers them -- Martin Grime and his 7-year-old, English Springer Spaniel, Eddie -- two of the best in the law enforcement specialty of canine forensics, able to find evidence everyone else missed."
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm

[Mr Gray]

It was the FBI, not America.

Timesonline December 2005

Mr Ellis and Mr Grimes came up with a special training regime to focus on Keela's remarkable skills. It has proved so successful that the FBI has inquired about it. "The FBI is very interested in how we work because they don't have this sort of facility in-house and they are looking at setting up their own unit," Mr Ellis said.https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm

America had no national standards for training and handling cadaver dogs, which is why the FBI decided to set up their own programme.

14/09/2007
"The FBI considers them -- Martin Grime and his 7-year-old, English Springer Spaniel, Eddie -- two of the best in the law enforcement specialty of canine forensics, able to find evidence everyone else missed."
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm

From what I can see the americans were interested in keela...the blood dog as your quote shows.

rex stockham had alerady set up the programme for cadaver dogs before grime went to the US. Stckham wanted to give the alerts some scientific basis...he never managed them.

Quoting some obscure news report as two of the best in the business does not substantialte your claim re the FBI

[faithlilly]

Point in red...this is just your opinion and is therefore valuless imo. It's quite raesonable for lay people to question the actions of professionals...even those considered experts....and the lay person may well be correct.

5a may well have the scent of other forennsic materials...such as luminol...which excited Eddie.

First we are supposed to have belief in the alerts...now its dog's body language. I dont see how that can be relied on.
 
The Pj had doubts about the alerts by the dogs and they were there. I think most would see  the so called alert to CC is totally ridiculous...the PJ highlighted this.

No one can deny the difference in the time spent on the car before an alert was produced. The other cars were examined for less tahn 30 secs but the Renaullt several minutes. The dog ran off at least three times before being called back.

No one can deny that Grime claimed he was not aware it was the McCanns car even though there were several posters of maddie attached to it. What is his expalnation for this statement.

all very odd.

A bit like Trump’s tantrum, the truth is still the truth.

[Robittybob1]

So for how long do you think Madeleine's dead body was lying around in 5A?

Who said anything about Madeleine's dead body?  She is abducted from outside very much alive, wasn't she?

[Mr Gray]

A bit like Trump’s tantrum, the truth is still the truth.

The truth is there is no confirmation of a cadaver in 5a.

[Robittybob1]

I believe...on the balance of probabiliteis.. HCW has strong evidence that MM is dead and his suspect murdered her.   that isnt just blind beleif its based on several points which ive already expalined. I believe pretty well everything that Grime has said......so whats the difference.

the difference is grime has not said what many sceptics think he has. Perhaps im just better at statement anlysis than some others.

As I remeber...You once posted Grime had said it was his opinion the dog had alerted to cadaver odour...you were wrong and I corrected you

When was that?   A year or two ago.

[Mr Gray]

When was that?   A year or two ago.

At least two years,  do you remember it

[Robittybob1]

perhaps you could answer the question...why did Grime say he ddint know the renault belonged to the McCanns when it was plastered with posters of MM. Was he just not very observant

Maybe the stickers aren't proof it belonged to the McCanns.

[Robittybob1]

How long does a body have to lie before cadaver is produced? truth is no one knows, controlled experiments show X,real terms?

The fresh stage of decay kicks off about four minutes after death. Once the heart has stopped beating, the cells in the body are deprived of oxygen. As carbon dioxide and waste products build up, the cells start to break down as a result of enzymatic processes – these are known as autolysis. Initial visual signs of decomposition are minimal, although as autolysis progresses blisters and sloughing of skin may occur.

https://www.compoundchem.com/2014/10/30/decompositionodour/

The proof (the problem) is the strength had to be enough to last for about 3 months. 

[Mr Gray]

When was that?   A year or two ago.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10062.msg483072#msg483072

gunit posted..

Grime's opinion was that these alerts were triggered by cadaver scent"

which is not supported by any evidence,.....didnt take long to find

[Robittybob1]

At least two years,  do you remember it

Probably but don't ask me to find the post.