Author Topic: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB  (Read 300171 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2685 on: November 08, 2020, 01:44:06 PM »
They haven't shared this information with the parents however which can only mean one thing.

Really..just one thing...that to share the information would compromise the ongoing investigation...is what the have said

Offline Eleanor

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2686 on: November 08, 2020, 01:55:28 PM »
They haven't shared this information with the parents however which can only mean one thing.

What could it mean?

For The Germans to share this at the moment would be a very silly thing to do.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2687 on: November 08, 2020, 02:10:46 PM »
That's a different debate. Leaving small children home alone is never, ever, a good idea.
Do you mind?  It is not a different debate at all.  The parents cannot be hung on the basis that they both murdered one of them (as Spam believes) AND neglected them to their fate at the hands of a paedophile.  On second thoughts Spam probably can (and will) do both, illogical though it is.  Also, it's worth pointing out that despite your apparent belief that the children were abandoned to their fate you also believe that there was scarcely a window of opportunity for an abductor to strike as members of the Tapas Group were in such close proximity to the apartment for most of the evening that it made abduction "virtually impossible" - so were the kids left to the mercy of an abductor or not?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2688 on: November 08, 2020, 03:48:35 PM »
There's always a first time... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01436-8

Interesting, Myster.

I'm fine with it;  but given that I have so much respect for her, Sue Black's opinion (taken from her book not an interview for the article) carries a lot of weight for me too. 

What I don't understand is why information can't be shared.
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And he can’t use results from a US or Australian facility, because their environmental conditions are different from those in Britain.

I think the environment varies depending where you are in Britain.  Is he perhaps referring to entomology ~ we certainly don't have many of the ginormous insects endemic in many other countries?

I think having a British body farm may raise as many issues as it resolves.  Interesting though.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2689 on: November 08, 2020, 03:53:57 PM »
In other words, it's your fault if a paedophile steals your child while it is left unattended as you encouraged the paedophile to do this.
What excuses the torture and rape of the American woman in her own home as we contemplate the scenario that the victim ~ not the perpetrator ~ is at fault for the crime.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2690 on: November 08, 2020, 03:55:56 PM »
While I don't have a firm view on body farms, if other countries already have them for research purposes, why would UK bother with establishing another? Why not just use the research findings of other countries ?

My question exactly.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2691 on: November 08, 2020, 04:01:55 PM »
What could it mean?

For The Germans to share this at the moment would be a very silly thing to do.

The last information they shared ended up prematurely in the public domain;  they would be foolish to allow that situation to arise again, in my opinion.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2692 on: November 08, 2020, 04:03:58 PM »
But surely you don’t believe leaving a child asleep and unattended in an unlocked ground floor apartment greatly increases the likelihood of said child being abducted by a local paedophile/rapist/burglar do you??
How did you answer that question yourself?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2693 on: November 08, 2020, 04:07:00 PM »
I don't see why not.
If parents were more responsible there wouldn't be any abductions.
Neglect the kids but at least lock them into the rooms behind deadlocked doors.  Save the taxpayers a lot of dosh.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2694 on: November 08, 2020, 04:18:06 PM »
Do you mind?  It is not a different debate at all.  The parents cannot be hung on the basis that they both murdered one of them (as Spam believes) AND neglected them to their fate at the hands of a paedophile.  On second thoughts Spam probably can (and will) do both, illogical though it is.  Also, it's worth pointing out that despite your apparent belief that the children were abandoned to their fate you also believe that there was scarcely a window of opportunity for an abductor to strike as members of the Tapas Group were in such close proximity to the apartment for most of the evening that it made abduction "virtually impossible" - so were the kids left to the mercy of an abductor or not?
That is where the phrase "small window of opportunity" comes into play.  Especially if Madeleine got out the front door and a concerned person closed the front door from within.  She could easily be taken by someone else off the street.  We have no idea how many people were concerned by that stage of the week.

Mrs. Fenn, and the family above her, her niece, the staff at OC that Mrs. Fenn rang the next day, Silvia Batista, Jez Wilkins, and Bridget all seem to beware of the danger too.  The staff at the Tapas restaurant too must IMO have known.
The presence of a couple of baby monitors on the table must have been a sure giveaway there were kids being left to their own devices.
Even the McCann friends were putting extra checks in at times during the week.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2020, 04:33:09 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline Myster

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2695 on: November 08, 2020, 04:59:56 PM »
Interesting, Myster.

I'm fine with it;  but given that I have so much respect for her, Sue Black's opinion (taken from her book not an interview for the article) carries a lot of weight for me too. 

What I don't understand is why information can't be shared.
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And he can’t use results from a US or Australian facility, because their environmental conditions are different from those in Britain.

I think the environment varies depending where you are in Britain.  Is he perhaps referring to entomology ~ we certainly don't have many of the ginormous insects endemic in many other countries?

I think having a British body farm may raise as many issues as it resolves.  Interesting though.
The total UK MoD land holdings as of April 2019 was in the region of 430,000 hectares, and as the article mentions, covert plans no doubt are probably well under way to establish such a "body farm" in some isolated corner of this huge estate.  Intrusion from prying public eyes is easily dealt with using CCTV controlled security fences, forbidden flight paths and no-drone zones.  We used to be in the forefront of scientific research, and still are in some areas, so why let other countries take the lead yet again.  I also have Sue Black's book waiting to be read after I've finished "Unnatural Causes" by forensic pathologist Dr Richard Shepherd... who might hold a different view.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2696 on: November 08, 2020, 05:10:11 PM »
Isn't the expression of need for a body farm a sign that cadaver dogs at the moment are not  sufficiently well trained
« Last Edit: November 08, 2020, 05:18:21 PM by Davel »

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2697 on: November 08, 2020, 05:12:09 PM »
How did you answer that question yourself?
Of course it does.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2698 on: November 08, 2020, 05:50:00 PM »
I think that the fact they were checking on them regularly was a factor in this case.   Social Services visited the McCann's and they were happy that they were responsible parents,  so are you saying our Social Services should be questioned?

Were the children put on the ‘at risk ‘ register ? Do we know?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB
« Reply #2699 on: November 08, 2020, 05:52:06 PM »
The last information they shared ended up prematurely in the public domain;  they would be foolish to allow that situation to arise again, in my opinion.

No it didn’t ~ in my opinion. Time to stop banging the same old drum B. In my opinion.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2020, 06:12:03 PM by Brietta »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?