Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Mr Gray]

Which begs the question why MET are still treating as a missing person inquiry.

Because the Germans refuse to share the evidence

[Robittybob1]

But surely you don’t believe leaving a child asleep and unattended in an unlocked ground floor apartment greatly increases the likelihood of said child being abducted by a local paedophile/rapist/burglar do you??

VS - I was interested to know what your answer was.

[G-Unit]

Her family are also victims...it may well be if the portuguese judicial system and police had done their job properly she would never have been abducted.

If she was abducted it wouldn't have happened if her parents had put the the safety of their children first.

[Mr Gray]

If she was abducted it wouldn't have happened if her parents had put the the safety of their children first.

If it was CB then if the PJ had done their job properly and solved the rape case he would not have been free to offend

[Vertigo Swirl]

VS - I was interested to know what your answer was.

I already answered, see back.

[Robittybob1]

I already answered, see back.

OK I must have missed it.  I'll check your profile.

Right you answered "Of course it does". http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11731.msg625655#msg625655

But surely you don’t believe leaving a child asleep and unattended in an unlocked ground floor apartment greatly increases the likelihood of said child being abducted by a local paedophile/rapist/burglar do you??

"Of course it does"  So you do believe, "leaving a child asleep and unattended in an unlocked ground floor apartment greatly increases the likelihood of said child being abducted by a local paedophile/rapist/burglar".

It certainly makes the job somewhat easier for the abductor.   I agree.

[Mr Gray]

OK I must have missed it.  I'll check your profile.

Right you answered "Of course it does".

But surely you don’t believe leaving a child asleep and unattended in an unlocked ground floor apartment greatly increases the likelihood of said child being abducted by a local paedophile/rapist/burglar do you??

"Of course it does"  So you do believe, "leaving a child asleep and unattended in an unlocked ground floor apartment greatly increases the likelihood of said child being abducted by a local paedophile/rapist/burglar".

It certainly makes the job somewhat easier for the abductor.   I agree.

I don't think it does really

[Robittybob1]

I don't think it does really

Why not?  Ease of getting away improved by road access.  So you think Bridget O'Donnell was wrong too?

[Mr Gray]

Why not?  Ease of getting away improved by road access.  So you think Bridget O'Donnell was wrong too?

You said greatly increases...I think stranger abduction is so rare the odds are not greatly increased

[Robittybob1]

You said greatly increases...I think stranger abduction is so rare the odds are not greatly increased

OK you are repeating something I heard Gerry McCann say, to the effect that ""stranger abduction was extremely rare".

We are not really discussing the likelihood of "stranger abduction" but the likelihood of being the target of a "stranger abduction".

[Robittybob1]

This is worth a read, parents and grandparents!

https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/health-topics/ue5155
Child Safety: Preventing Child Abduction
Topic Overview
Many parents are concerned about child abduction by strangers. Although this is a legitimate concern, keep in mind that stranger abduction is rare. Family members or acquaintances are responsible for most child abductions. Train your child to be aware of his or her surroundings, how to identify a threat, and how to react. When children reach age 3, they can begin to understand some of these basic concepts.

Experts recommend teaching your child the following tips to help prevent abduction:

Stay away from strangers. Explain what makes a person a stranger. Note that even someone with a familiar face is a stranger if you do not know him or her well.
Stay away from anyone who is following you on foot or in a car. Don't get close to them or feel as though you must answer any questions they ask you.
Run and scream if someone tries to force you to go somewhere with them or tries to push you into a car.
Memorize a secret code word. Tell your child not to go with anyone under any circumstances unless that person also knows this code word.
Adults shouldn't ask children for help. For example, a child shouldn't trust grown-ups who ask kids for directions or for help finding a puppy or kitten. A child who is approached in this way should tell the person, "Wait here and I'll check with my mom or dad," and then find his or her parents right away.
Ask for help when you are lost. If you get lost in a public place, immediately ask someone who works there for help.
Always ask for permission before going anywhere with anybody. Ask a parent or the grown-up in charge before leaving the yard or play area, or before going into someone's home. Do not accept any unplanned offers for a ride—from someone known or unknown.
Always tell a parent where you are going, how you will get there, who is going with you, and when you will be back. Be home at the agreed-upon time or else find a way to contact home directly.
If your child is lost or missing, being able to provide information quickly to the authorities will save them valuable time in searching for your child:

Be prepared with a good description of your child. Have a close-up photograph of your child taken every 6 months. Keep track of and write down details about your child's appearance, such as height and weight, eye colour, birthmarks, scars, and identifiable mannerisms (such as hair-twisting).
Have your child fingerprinted. Check with your local police department for instructions.
Stay calm. You are more likely to remember helpful details if you can remain calm."

[Robittybob1]

Another site http://www.actionagainstabduction.org/about-abduction/stranger/ said:
"Roughly two-thirds of abductions by a stranger involve a perpetrator in a car."  So car access would be an important consideration by the perpetrator IMO.

[Robittybob1]

Another site https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/abductions.html has this to say on prevention:

"If your kids are old enough to stay home alone, make sure they keep the door locked and never tell anyone who knocks or calls they are home alone."

[G-Unit]

If it was CB then if the PJ had done their job properly and solved the rape case he would not have been free to offend

If you treasure something you take care of it yourself to the best of your ability. That's why people lock their doors and windows, fit alarms to cars and houses and pay babysitters if they want to go out without their children.

[G-Unit]

Looking at it from the point of view of Social Services they were looking at a couple who were prime suspects in the disappearance of their daughter. I doubt if they would have visited once and then gone away. They would have had to make absolutely sure that the other two children were safe in my opinion.