Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Vertigo Swirl]

You jumped to the conclusion that if the dogs alerted to Christian Bs locations I wouldn’t accept he was Madeleines abductor and killer. That is a conclusion you jumped to. Its all in your post. Read it back.

OK I jumped to that conclusion- now you’ve put me straight.  Happy Days! Now what?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

OK I jumped to that conclusion- now you’ve put me straight.  Happy Days! Now what?

Now what? How should I know do whatever you want.

[Eleanor]

Well yes when I joined I saw it as a discussion forum but over time since I joined, to me it has taken the appearance of a 13 year long argument where no point can be conceded.
BTW not trying to butter you up but you are still my favourite moderator very reasoned and fair. I appreciate the difficult work you do here.

Gosh.  Thank You.  I do try.

Of course it is a thirteen year long argument.  That is why we are still discussing it.  But this is still the only McCann Forum that allows opposing views.  So don't imagine that your views aren't important.

But sometimes you have to be made of stern stuff.

[G-Unit]

I see you simply disagree with what I have said without adressing any of the issues I've raise..perhaps that's because you can't.

i have provided evidence as to why i challenge the validity of the alertas...what evidence do you have to doubt Wolters.

Do you have s cite that Grime was best in his area of expertise...both a UK one and one from the FBI

Grime was "a Subject Matter Expert registered with N.C.P.E. and specialist homicide canine search advisor. In support of the national Homicide Search Advisor, Mark Harrison" https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

As such his advice would be diseminated to ACPO, and thence to their forces. Although he worked for Yorkshire Police, he and his dogs were also used by other forces.

The dog handler that deployed the victim recovery dogs, Martin Grime, is a world-wide renowned expert in the field of cadaver dogs. Mr. Grime was hired by the FBI to come to America and help them establish a cadaver dog program.
https://www.loudoun.gov/DocumentCenter/View/152001/06202019---Virginia-Court-of-Appeals-Affirmed-the-Convictions-Against-Braulio-Castillo?bidId=

[Vertigo Swirl]

Good point G-Unit. Last night I was going to open a thread saying that for all “supporters” imagine the dogs were never summoned in 2007 but instead in 2020 and alerted to Christian Bs house, car, and clothing where he lived in 2007. What would be the opinions not just on these alerts but on all dog alerts, It may be different. But then I thought what’s the point.

Jumping to the conclusion that there would be no point because...?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Jumping to the conclusion that there would be no point because...?

Yes that's exactly the same scenario. Bravo!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Now what? How should I know do whatever you want.

Well you asked me a question and then ignored my reply, preferring it seems to prolong an argument about jumping to conclusions.  I thought my reply might lead to a more on topic reply but it seems not.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Well you asked me a question and then ignored my reply, preferring it seems to prolong an argument about jumping to conclusions.  I thought my reply might lead to a more on topic reply but it seems not.

Which reply did I ignore?

[Eleanor]

Grime was "a Subject Matter Expert registered with N.C.P.E. and specialist homicide canine search advisor. In support of the national Homicide Search Advisor, Mark Harrison" https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

As such his advice would be diseminated to ACPO, and thence to their forces. Although he worked for Yorkshire Police, he and his dogs were also used by other forces.

The dog handler that deployed the victim recovery dogs, Martin Grime, is a world-wide renowned expert in the field of cadaver dogs. Mr. Grime was hired by the FBI to come to America and help them establish a cadaver dog program.
https://www.loudoun.gov/DocumentCenter/View/152001/06202019---Virginia-Court-of-Appeals-Affirmed-the-Convictions-Against-Braulio-Castillo?bidId=

Excuse me.  America already had a Cadaver Dog Programme.  Grime didn't invent it.  What a laugh to suggest he did.

However, American Courts were a bit more honest about the possible failings of Cadaver Dogs.

No person should ever be Convicted on the dubious evidence of such a dog.

[Mr Gray]

Grime was "a Subject Matter Expert registered with N.C.P.E. and specialist homicide canine search advisor. In support of the national Homicide Search Advisor, Mark Harrison" https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm


where does it say in the above he was the best in the area of his expertise...it says he is A sub[Name removed]ect amtter expert  not the best in his field

As such his advice would be diseminated to ACPO, and thence to their forces. Although he worked for Yorkshire Police, he and his dogs were also used by other forces.

The dog handler that deployed the victim recovery dogs, Martin Grime, is a world-wide renowned expert in the field of cadaver dogs. Mr. Grime was hired by the FBI to come to America and help them establish a cadaver dog program.
https://www.loudoun.gov/DocumentCenter/View/152001/06202019---Virginia-Court-of-Appeals-Affirmed-the-Convictions-Against-Braulio-Castillo?bidId=

this is not from the FBI and it doesnt say hes the best in his field

you have not provided a cite that supports your claim

[Mr Gray]

Grime was "a Subject Matter Expert registered with N.C.P.E. and specialist homicide canine search advisor. In support of the national Homicide Search Advisor, Mark Harrison" https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

As such his advice would be diseminated to ACPO, and thence to their forces. Although he worked for Yorkshire Police, he and his dogs were also used by other forces.

The dog handler that deployed the victim recovery dogs, Martin Grime, is a world-wide renowned expert in the field of cadaver dogs. Mr. Grime was hired by the FBI to come to America and help them establish a cadaver dog program.
https://www.loudoun.gov/DocumentCenter/View/152001/06202019---Virginia-Court-of-Appeals-Affirmed-the-Convictions-Against-Braulio-Castillo?bidId=

Cite for...Mr. Grime was hired by the FBI to come to America and help them establish a cadaver dog program.

The FBI alraedy had one...who is the author of this claim

[Eleanor]

Grime was "a Subject Matter Expert registered with N.C.P.E. and specialist homicide canine search advisor. In support of the national Homicide Search Advisor, Mark Harrison" https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

As such his advice would be diseminated to ACPO, and thence to their forces. Although he worked for Yorkshire Police, he and his dogs were also used by other forces.

The dog handler that deployed the victim recovery dogs, Martin Grime, is a world-wide renowned expert in the field of cadaver dogs. Mr. Grime was hired by the FBI to come to America and help them establish a cadaver dog program.
https://www.loudoun.gov/DocumentCenter/View/152001/06202019---Virginia-Court-of-Appeals-Affirmed-the-Convictions-Against-Braulio-Castillo?bidId=

This Comment has just about turned my Tripes.

America needed Martin Grime.  Who'd a thought it?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Which reply did I ignore?

The one in which I answered your question about how I would feel about dog alerts to CB's possessions.  You seem to have quite a short memory!

[Icanhandlethetruth]

The one in which I answered your question about how I would feel about dog alerts to CB's possessions.  You seem to have quite a short memory!

That doesn’t mean I ignored it. I read it and accepted it as your point of view.

[Eleanor]

Okay.  Let's not play word games.  Some of us are very good at spotting this.

I can do this, but have never been able to see the point.