Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[G-Unit]

We get it.  The McCanns didn't do what any other normal loving decent parent on the planet would have done.  They are in short wicked beyond belief.  How about we all agree to that and move on, would that satisfy you, or do we still need reminding on a daily basis how they abandoned their babies allowing one of them not to be stolen be a paedophile because (despite all the wicked neglect) the McCanns and their friends were checking so often the poor abductor didn't get a chance to carry out his dastardly deed??

May I make clear that those are your opinions, not mine? I'm sure  most people know that, however, and recognise your strawman arguments for what they are.

Apart from the statements given by the T9 all we know for sure is that they dined at the Tapas from 8:30pm onwards with no children in sight. Some men were seen leaving the complex at times, but which ones and how often isn't clear. Neither is it clear where they went, because apart from Jez W. no-one saw any of them and Jez was unable to say what time he saw Gerry McCann.

The T9's statements suggested that foot traffic up and down that road was so frequent that an alleged abductor would have had to move very quickly in my opinion.

[Vertigo Swirl]

May I make clear that those are your opinions, not mine? I'm sure  most people know that, however, and recognise your strawman arguments for what they are.

Apart from the statements given by the T9 all we know for sure is that they dined at the Tapas from 8:30pm onwards with no children in sight. Some men were seen leaving the complex at times, but which ones and how often isn't clear. Neither is it clear where they went, because apart from Jez W. no-one saw any of them and Jez was unable to say what time he saw Gerry McCann.

The T9's statements suggested that foot traffic up and down that road was so frequent that an alleged abductor would have had to move very quickly in my opinion.

So you don't accept that members of the Tapas group told the truth that they were leaving the table to perform checks on their children?  What do you think they might have been doing instead then?

[G-Unit]

I always had a baby sister,  the McCann's had a baby sitter at home.   This is what I mean about people on holiday they do things they would never do at home.   What do you think of people in tents or caravans who leave their children alone to go to a BBQ on the site?  They probably have baby sitters when they are at home.   The McCann's were still in the holiday resort when they went to dinner,  they probably felt like the parents in the tents/caravans  we are in a family safe holiday resort.

I have no idea what people do on campsites or how far away from their tents they venture. If you've seen this perhaps you could identify the site so a comparison can be made?

I don't know what you mean by 'holiday resort'. The whole of a town like Blackpool is a holiday resort.

[G-Unit]

So you don't accept that members of the Tapas group told the truth that they were leaving the table to perform checks on their children?  What do you think they might have been doing instead then?

I don't know if they told the truth or not, and neither do you.

[Snowgirl]

So after 13 years you've never seen it...it's a bit tiresome continually having to point out the basics
You should be grateful I've taught you something

Like I said it wasn’t an excerpt from his statement , which is where  you said it was and I wouldn’t say that report came under the basics column .

[Mr Gray]

Like I said it wasn’t an excerpt from his statement , which is where  you said it was and I wouldn’t say that report came under the basics column .

The report is part of the files and part of the information on the dogs...I've provided a cite...I've shown you something you hadn't seen before and you are still moaning...I wish I'd just ignored your request as other posters do when asked for a cite

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't know if they told the truth or not, and neither do you.

I know that members of the group left the table, the waiters said so, unless they are not telling the truth either?  So - apart from to check on their children (as they said they did) what other reasons could members of the group have had for leaving the table at regular intervals?  Do you think there are credible alternative reasons that the Tapas group are trying to cover up, if so what might they be do you think?

[Eleanor]

I know that members of the group left the table, the waiters said so, unless they are not telling the truth either?  So - apart from to check on their children (as they said they did) what other reasons could members of the group have had for leaving the table at regular intervals?  Do you think there are credible alternative reasons that the Tapas group are trying to cover up, if so what might they be do you think?

Swinging?  A Quickie between courses?

We might as well visit the Swinging again, what with David Payne and all that.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Swinging?  A Quickie between courses?

We might as well visit the Swinging again, what with David Payne and all that.

Well unless it was swinging in the bushes they would have likely been using one of the apartments so at least *some* of the children had a mummy and daddy nearby (even if not both belonged to them).

[Brietta]

Grime has had ample opportunity to correct public interpretation of his dogs' alerts following release of the excerpt in the Sun, taken from the extended video. He has chosen not to do so. In the circumstances, it's no wonder PJ cannot move beyond the parents & give serious consideration to CB having abducted a living Madeleine. IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lrrMoUr3OA

Almost everyone else associated however vaguely with Madeleine's case has had their say on it.  What I think he could have contributed mattered very much back in the day and could have made a real difference to the way the case was perceived by the general public.
I think Grime's silence in the face of the prevalent and obvious misinformation regarding the role of victim recovery dogs which has surrounded the visit to Praia da Luz from the word go is reprehensible and does him no favours.

If he is associated with the "dogs don't lie" mantra that is doubly so and verges on dishonourable in my opinion.

I think the issue could have been settled many years ago if the will had been there to settle it and I think it could have been sorted without mention of Praia da Luz ~ and he was the man who should have done that.

All that was required was to address the general issue of dogs exactly as he has done in his statements and in the world of academia.  I find it extraordinary that he didn't do that.

[Robittybob1]

I know he used his own blood.   He didn't use any other tissue as far as I know.

He used 100-year-old hip human hipbone.   I gave you the references.

[Brietta]

Well unless it was swinging in the bushes they would have likely been using one of the apartments so at least *some* of the children had a mummy and daddy nearby (even if not both belonged to them).

Gunit insinuates the men in her post "Some men were seen leaving the complex at times, but which ones and how often isn't clear. Neither is it clear where they went,"
So unfortunately and disgustingly I really don't think 'swinging' comes into the reckoning.

[Robittybob1]

May I make clear that those are your opinions, not mine? I'm sure  most people know that, however, and recognise your strawman arguments for what they are.

Apart from the statements given by the T9 all we know for sure is that they dined at the Tapas from 8:30pm onwards with no children in sight. Some men were seen leaving the complex at times, but which ones and how often isn't clear. Neither is it clear where they went, because apart from Jez W. no-one saw any of them and Jez was unable to say what time he saw Gerry McCann.

The T9's statements suggested that foot traffic up and down that road was so frequent that an alleged abductor would have had to move very quickly in my opinion.

Not really if Madeleine got over by the Tapas entrance and she asked for help to open the door. 
What if she actually approached an adult and the adult took advantage?

[Robittybob1]

Well unless it was swinging in the bushes they would have likely been using one of the apartments so at least *some* of the children had a mummy and daddy nearby (even if not both belonged to them).

Good point but were they keeping an eye on the kids whilst this was going on?

[faithlilly]

Almost everyone else associated however vaguely with Madeleine's case has had their say on it.  What I think he could have contributed mattered very much back in the day and could have made a real difference to the way the case was perceived by the general public.
I think Grime's silence in the face of the prevalent and obvious misinformation regarding the role of victim recovery dogs which has surrounded the visit to Praia da Luz from the word go is reprehensible and does him no favours.

If he is associated with the "dogs don't lie" mantra that is doubly so and verges on dishonourable in my opinion.

I think the issue could have been settled many years ago if the will had been there to settle it and I think it could have been sorted without mention of Praia da Luz ~ and he was the man who should have done that.

All that was required was to address the general issue of dogs exactly as he has done in his statements and in the world of academia.  I find it extraordinary that he didn't do that.

Why should Grime feel the need to justify himself to anyone ?  Much like Redwood who, allegedly, had the Tanner sighting going in the wrong way, he does not owe an explanation to you or anyone else.