Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Snowgirl]

Not really if Madeleine got over by the Tapas entrance and she asked for help to open the door. 
What if she actually approached an adult and the adult took advantage?

Do you really believe the story that the door was left unlocked so Madeleiine could come to find them? Her mother later denied she would leave and anyway said the door would be  too heavy for her!

[Mr Gray]

Do you really believe the story that the door was left unlocked so Madeleiine could come to find them? Her mother later denied she would leave and anyway said the door would be  too heavy for her!

Do you have  acite for...Door would be too heavy for her

[Robittybob1]

Do you really believe the story that the door was left unlocked so Madeleiine could come to find them? Her mother later denied she would leave and anyway said the door would be  too heavy for her!

Kate is talking about the patio door.  I'm talking about the front door.  Different doors altogether.  And the door to the Tapas entrance is another door as well.

[Robittybob1]

Do you have  acite for...Door would be too heavy for her

That is Snowgirl's opinion in this case.

[Snowgirl]

Do you have  acite for...Door would be too heavy for her

Oh really you’re asking me for a cite now. 
I quote this and believe it was possibly during that Woman’s Hour interview , after the last line .

Jenny: 'What was your first thought, what did you think immediately had happened?' (Upon discovering that Madeleine wasn't there)

  Kate: 'Well, obviously I kind of looked and double looked and, errm, you know, obviously, there was twenty seconds of, you know, she must be there (laughs). Errm, but there was no doubt in my mind within (laughs) probably thirty seconds, errm, that Madeleine had been taken from that room. I can't go into the reasons why I thought that but it was... no doubt whatsoever. And Madeleine wouldn't have walked out herself. I know that.

So she had said the patio door was left unlocked so Madeleine could get out ,  then here contradicts it by saying she wouldn’t have walked out by herself . I remember too a heavy curtain being mentioned .

[Miss Taken Identity]

Oh really you’re asking me for a cite now. 
I quote this and believe it was possibly during that Woman’s Hour interview , after the last line .

Jenny: 'What was your first thought, what did you think immediately had happened?' (Upon discovering that Madeleine wasn't there)

  Kate: 'Well, obviously I kind of looked and double looked and, errm, you know, obviously, there was twenty seconds of, you know, she must be there (laughs). Errm, but there was no doubt in my mind within (laughs) probably thirty seconds, errm, that Madeleine had been taken from that room. I can't go into the reasons why I thought that but it was... no doubt whatsoever. And Madeleine wouldn't have walked out herself. I know that.

So she had said the patio door was left unlocked so Madeleine could get out ,  then here contradicts it by saying she wouldn’t have walked out by herself . I remember too a heavy curtain being mentioned .

laughs laughs... that really irritated me about those two-  the smiles , sN.....s and laughs. She can't go into the reasons why she thought her daughter was taken from the room.. oh wonder why not...

[Mr Gray]

Oh really you’re asking me for a cite now. 
I quote this and believe it was possibly during that Woman’s Hour interview , after the last line .

Jenny: 'What was your first thought, what did you think immediately had happened?' (Upon discovering that Madeleine wasn't there)

  Kate: 'Well, obviously I kind of looked and double looked and, errm, you know, obviously, there was twenty seconds of, you know, she must be there (laughs). Errm, but there was no doubt in my mind within (laughs) probably thirty seconds, errm, that Madeleine had been taken from that room. I can't go into the reasons why I thought that but it was... no doubt whatsoever. And Madeleine wouldn't have walked out herself. I know that.

So she had said the patio door was left unlocked so Madeleine could get out ,  then here contradicts it by saying she wouldn’t have walked out by herself . I remember too a heavy curtain being mentioned .

you claimed kate said the door was too heavy...wheres your cite....you havent given one

[Snowgirl]

you claimed kate said the door was too heavy...wheres your cite....you havent given one

i haven’t . Do you know why ? Because I have a life outside of this forum so I don’t keep everything I read to refer to as you do . It might take a while before I can provide a cite and this isn’t a court of law where I’m on trial btw.

If you’ve ever stayed in a hotel or apartment where those kind of doors are in place you should know how heavy they are anyway . .Maybe not for a man but I find them so .

[Mr Gray]

i haven’t . Do you know why ? Because I have a life outside of this forum so I don’t keep everything I read to refer to as you do . It might take a while before I can provide a cite and this isn’t a court of law where I’m on trial btw.

If you’ve ever stayed in a hotel or apartment where those kind of doors are in place you should know how heavy they are anyway . .Maybe not for a man but I find them so .

You think I dont have a life outside this forum....how little you know. You dont have a cite ...fine. you are obvioulsly getting angry and abusive

it would be important if kate had said the patio door was too heavy for Maddie to open...that would be highly significant...but it seems she didnt

[Mr Gray]

That is Snowgirl's opinion in this case.

Shes stating a fact...


Quote from: Snowgirl on Today at 06:31:31 PM
Do you really believe the story that the door was left unlocked so Madeleiine could come to find them? Her mother later denied she would leave and anyway said the door would be  too heavy for her!

[Snowgirl]

You think I dont have a life outside this forum....how little you know. You dont have a cite ...fine. you are obvioulsly getting angry and abusive

it would be important if kate had said the patio door was too heavy for Maddie to open...that would be highly significant...but it seems she didnt

davel I don’t do anger you say is obvious  nor do I think I’ve been abusive .I’ve told you why I cannot provide a cite at this moment ? You can’t wait ? Fine . I really don’t care . Kate said  on Woman’s Hour  she knew Madeleine wouldn’t go out . Ask yourself how she knew that .
Here’s a link to where Kate said Madeleine would have had to open the door https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/missing-madeleine-mccann-was-snatched-10278077
I quote also a post below of Sadies in another thread on the same topic ...door .

. But we dont know if it was double locked, do we?

Also Madeleine would NOT have walked out of that pitch black porch, closing the door behind her, to then walk along a very dark walled passageway.  A place that had walls too high for her to see over and was curved so that she could not see the end .... and was some 20 metres [66ft] long.   All in darkness.

[Miss Taken Identity]

davel I don’t do anger you say is obvious  nor do I think I’ve been abusive .I’ve told you why I cannot provide a cite at this moment ? You can’t wait ? Fine . I really don’t care . Kate said  on Woman’s Hour  she knew Madeleine wouldn’t go out . Ask yourself how she knew that .

and then add that to the fact she left the door unlocked because... someone could come in? OR MBM could get out?

tricky one to get out of eh?

[Mr Gray]

davel I don’t do anger you say is obvious  nor do I think I’ve been abusive .I’ve told you why I cannot provide a cite at this moment ? You can’t wait ? Fine . I really don’t care . Kate said  on Woman’s Hour  she knew Madeleine wouldn’t go out . Ask yourself how she knew that .
Here’s a link to where Kate said Madeleine would have had to open the door https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/missing-madeleine-mccann-was-snatched-10278077

Well it wasnt because the door was too heavy...which would be significant

[Snowgirl]

Well it wasnt because the door was too heavy...which would be significant

Maybe that’s why Kate knew Madeleine  wouldn’t go out ?
She was only slight for her age? I will take Kate’s word for it on this occasion that  Madeleine wouldn’t have left .
That just leaves why the  door was left as it was . Maybe so   “ they”  could come to take her? ( “ they’ve taken her” )
Maybe a prearranged appointment ?
Maybe Madeleine wasn’t well maybe was injured ,had to be taken somewhere?
It’s all supposition .

[Robittybob1]

How do you think "Looks like she was abducted and murdered by CB.." is acceptable?

You can't prove it is true.