Jane Tanner's interview with The Sun on 20 November 2007

[pegasus]

And lest we forget she was reported as being 80% sure that the man she saw on the night of the 3rd was the same man seen by Gsil Cooper.

reported not by her, but by someone who wrote a powerpoint document.

[faithlilly]

reported not by her, but by someone who wrote a powerpoint document.

Are you suggesting that person was being less than truthful ?

[Brietta]

Suggest away.  It was taped.  It was (the interview where she picked George) heard by at least four people (you can ascertain that from the documentary).  So it is up to you to evaluate TCH's credibility.  Either way, whatever was happening with Tanner's memory with regard to faces, her memory of positional placement  of GM/JW hasn't changed.

So again, just to sum-up.
1) The man Jane Tanner saw has been identified.  A British tourist, who has been ruled out.
2) She saw Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins on the night Madeleine disappeared, talking near the garden gate of 5A,

and...

3) Her accounts were consistent (that she didn't see a face, and thus, couldn't identify a man via a facial photograph), which is why it was surprising to the private investigators that she identified Tim Craig-Harvey's "George" via a facial photo.

You have claimed that Jane Tanner identified a man from his photograph and was audio taped doing so.

The cite you provided puts words into Jane's mouth but does not substantiate your claim ... therefore it is worthless.

I have looked for provenance and have found none.

The ball is now in your court.
Please substantiate your statement with an acceptable cite and if you cannot please withdraw your claim.

[sadie]

Suggest away.  It was taped.  It was (the interview where she picked George) heard by at least four people (you can ascertain that from the documentary).  So it is up to you to evaluate TCH's credibility.  Either way, whatever was happening with Tanner's memory with regard to faces, her memory of positional placement  of GM/JW hasn't changed.

So again, just to sum-up.
1) The man Jane Tanner saw has been identified.  A British tourist, who has been ruled out.2) She saw Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins on the night Madeleine disappeared, talking near the garden gate of 5A 
and...

3) Her accounts were consistent (that she didn't see a face, and thus, couldn't identify a man via a facial photograph), which is why it was surprising to the private investigators that she identified Tim Craig-Harvey's "George" via a facial photo.

Furthermore,

It is thought, but there is no certainty that Jane Tanners man has been ruled out.  There are plenty of question marks about that.

Please try and be accurate gadfly

[sadie]

Suggest away. It was taped.  It was (the interview where she picked George) heard by at least four people (you can ascertain that from the documentary).  So it is up to you to evaluate TCH's credibility.  Either way, whatever was happening with Tanner's memory with regard to faces, her memory of positional placement  of GM/JW hasn't changed.

So again, just to sum-up.
1) The man Jane Tanner saw has been identified.  A British tourist, who has been ruled out.
2) She saw Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins on the night Madeleine disappeared, talking near the garden gate of 5A,

and...

3) Her accounts were consistent (that she didn't see a face, and thus, couldn't identify a man via a facial photograph), which is why it was surprising to the private investigators that she identified Tim Craig-Harvey's "George" via a facial photo.

It was taped.  It was (the interview where she picked George) heard by at least four people (you can ascertain that from the documentary).

Please can you prove that statement.  Thank you Gadfly

[pegasus]

Gadfly do you know if these private investigators also had their expert voice analyst listen in to the over the road account?

[Gadfly1.3]

As I said Sadie, it is up to you as to whether or not you believe Tim Craig Harvey. :)

[Brietta]

As I said Sadie, it is up to you as to whether or not you believe Tim Craig Harvey. :)

You've made a claim for Jane Tanner, Gadfly, the link you provided failed to substantiate your claim.  Have you found one yet which is directly attributable to Jane Tanner and which substantiates your claim?

[Gadfly1.3]

As noted:

1) Jane Tanner identified a man who has now been 'almost certainly' identified by Scotland Yard.  He has been ruled out.  On that you can choose to believe Scotland Yard or Sadie. (See previous page; Crimewatch documentary 2013)

2) Jane Tanner -- look at the national C4 documentary Madeleine Was Here/image I provided -- along with Jeremy Wilkins corroborated that Gerry McCann was within two metres -- or for arguments sake, in terms of time, 3 seconds -- away from the gate of 5A. (See Channel 4 documentary available on YouTube, and Jeremy Wilkins' statement and drawn map).

3) Jane Tanner's memory improved to the extent that she went from being unable to identify the man she saw by his face to eventually identifying a man via a facial photograph.  Tim Craig Harvey, a man who was paid by the McCanns to look at the case, confirmed the second of those facts in a national C5 documentary entitled McCanns And The Conman.  I provided a documentary, produced by Channel 5 -- and people can judge for themselves.

For anyone other than Brietta or Sadie--- you can access the following resources on the previous pages of this thread, and you can decide for yourself. :)

[pegasus]

@Gadfly Was the audio recording made covertly, without JT's permission, by people effectively working for GM?

[pegasus]

@Gadfly In the audio recording does JT actually say she recognised the facial features? Is it possible that her identification was not by facial features but by hair style/length ?

In other words, that the hair style/length of the market trader in the photo/video shown to JT by PIs closely matched the hair style/length of the brit tourist she saw carrying a child on May 3rd.

BTW the brit tourist's hair style/length changed between May 2007 and when he was photographed by SY and therefore the obfuscated SY photo does not represent his hair in May 2007.

[Gadfly1.3]

@Pegasus.  If Miss Tanner is not happy with the 'almost certain' comments made by SY, or by the gentlemen who noticed his daughter's 'frilly pyjamas', then all she has to do is gave them a quick call any time she chooses and tell them (the details of their contact details can be found here: http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434).  I'm sure she can clear this up, or maybe already has done. :)  Until then, she will remain a witness who saw Gerry near the gate at 5A, and will corroborate Mr Wilkins on Gerry's positioning (to within a couple of metres or so).

[pegasus]

@Pegasus.  If Miss Tanner is not happy with the 'almost certain' comments made by SY, or by the gentlemen who noticed his daughter's 'frilly pyjamas, then all she has to do is gave them a quick call any time she chooses and tell them.  I'm sure she can clear this up.  Until then, she will remain a witness who saw Gerry near the gate at 5A, and will corroborate Mr Wilkins on Gerry's positioning (to within a couple of metres or so).

Gadfly I am not disputing JT's later identification of SY's brit tourist, it is correct IMO. Also I agree with you about the curious issue of the chat position, yes two people state it correctly and one incorrectly.

What I am disputing is your claim (as I understand it) that much earlier, JT told a PI that she recognised the facial features of a market trader as being equal to the facial features of the man she saw carrying a child. I suggest that she recognised the market trader's hair as being equal to the hair of the man she saw carrying a child.

[Gadfly1.3]

@Pegasus.  I understand your 'dispute.' 

[pegasus]

@Pegasus.  I understand your 'dispute.' 

Gadfly I have great faith in the integrity of witness JT. Unless you are able to state that she said she specifically recognised the market trader's facial features, I will assume that she recognised the market trader's hair as being closely similar to hair of the carrier she saw on May 3. I base that conclusion on the hair being by far the most conspicuous natural feature visible on May 3, and on JT stating she did not see facial details on May 3.